Appreciate the confirmation Keith. I also found the fastener comparison quite apt in further clarifying the concept. Now I can comfortably state that I fully understand why torque wrenches are so-important. Steel is really...fascinating stuff. It underpins what I consider to be the basis of a truly "modern" society. Arguably, all of the "engineering" (for lack of a better term) humans use to modify the environment (for our comfort and safety) is based on a steel foundation. Mr. Fox, thank you for the Madis reference (I knew you'd come up with it).

So...pre-1919 for this little 20 M12. Short-chambered little guns but...beautiful, well-made and quick (for a pumpgun). A shame to destroy such a thing. I am a simple man when it come to these concepts. Pre-"Krupp Floss" steel in ~1890, good damascus and steel were fairly close in burst strength, both were 55K to 65k range materials. Post Krupp, everything changed. Shortly thereafter, Winchester came out with Nickel Steel at 110K and ~100k became the new "standard" of modern and "safe". The timing of all that, in parallel with advent of nitro-based smokeless propellants, changed the world of firearms forever. Everything got faster and safer (within reason), including the cheaper guns for the masses.

Even if it isn't exactly definitive, I'd be curious to hear how this little Winchester's barrel steel does in Dr. Drew's testing.


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