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Womble, The muzzle end of the barrels show signs of shortening by a small amount or, at a minimum, the ribs coming loose and misplacing the end "plug". Nominal barrel lengths would usually be in whole or half centimeters, with actual length sometimes differing slightly due to finishing, "striking" or possibly mistake. Determining the model number might reveal a choice of available nominal barrel lengths. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the original length was 76 cm, but I wouldn't disagree if told it was 74.5. The marks at the chamber end may have resulted from "peening" to tighten the fit, however this is conjecture. Mike
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Hi all, I had a lovely email back from Herr Haggards and Raimey was spot on; it's a Mk V; "I find your Sauer mod. 5 in my records. Beautiful typical German flower engraving! Yes, your was made around 1906, you can see on my homepage under Gunroom, eighth gun from top, you see the similarity in the looks apart from the engraving. In old Sauer catalogs, the weapons are depicted with simple engravings. It was the buyer who decided according to wishes. Also choosing steel in the barrels, here you see on your gun, the buyer ordered Krupp Special Lauf Stahl, which was the best." Thanks for all the advice and information from you all. very best Anne
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How 'bout that. A little later than I would have guessed, but @ the end of the period of when the expensive Sauer method of joining tubes. I just though he may have a copy of the Sauer ledger for the period. Any indication of the original tube length?
The engraving would have been Wetzlaub.
Seems you have changed your stage name.
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Hi Raimey, I'm still getting to grips with how the forum works...and what the various ID's are! Herr Haggards doesn't mention anything about the tube lengths, but I will ask. I'm just looking into what would be a safe cartridge to try in it, the 65mm Gamebore Regal 28g no.6 seems to be the one recommended for older guns. Any thoughts?
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Unless you have substantial pitting, Gamebore should work well. I shoot a Modell Nr. 2 in 16 bore quite often & the chambers have been lengthened by some astute fella to 70mm. On occasion I might shoot a few 70mm 16 bores but recoil is going to be a factor in a light hammergun. I was just thinking of ordering either some 12 bore Gamebore Pure Gold(78xx PSI) or more than likely some Gamebore Traditional Paper(65xx PSI)_(my preference) from Firearms Service, a Kent / Gambore dealer in Kentucky. But you are much closer to the Gamebore source & might reside adjacent to it?
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Also, if you have any questions on Vintage British Guns in the UK, Diggory Haddock of Ludlow just may be able to answer them: https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/Dig holds with the offerings from the Little British Isles from the >>Golden Age of Shotgunning<< as he just has not come to terms with the fact that Continental Mechanics were as good, if not better than their British counterparts, who on their walkabouts went to the Continent to learn of advances in firearms and for a transfer of technology. You can tell him I said that. A couple months back he had a lovely lunch @ >>The Charlton Arms<<. Cheers, Raimey rse
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Hahaha. Good one Raimey. Could not agree more.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Thanks Canvas-Back. Some jest & a lot of truth. https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjul...-lindner-49381/The Daly should date from circa 1895/1896. The subject longarm would have well been issued a serial nummer in 1895 but sat on the shelf until an order and then being a Modell Nr. 5, took a bit of time? Cheers, Raimey rse
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Raimey, I'm not understanding the link between the Sauer in this thread and the Sauer sourced Lindner/Daly in Julia's Auction you linked to. What am I missing?
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Canvas-Back:
It is the same tube steel, same Sauer process marks, same mechancis & will date to the same period of say 10 - 13 years when Sauer used the same process marks & the same expensive method of joining tubes. The Sauer Modell Nr. 5 was issued a serial number early on & probably set on the shelf until an upper rung order materialized. I do wonder if the number of Wildmann w/ a Staff stamps points toward a Sauer grade?
Oh, and H.A. Lindner all but had to have a Satellite Stamping Station in a room in the Sauer facility.
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Raimey rse
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