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recommendations? Looking for something close to my 2.5/1/8 lead reloads for my Sauer Model 8 built in 1911.
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2 1/2" Non-tox Factory loads are expensivw This in #6 http://www.rstshells.com/bismuth.aspxMike
Last edited by skeettx; 11/24/19 08:50 AM.
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Its one of those situations where the whole topic of no-tox nonsense honestly needs to be revisited.
The real solution is political.
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Federal is about the only major brand I know of.
RST is not always available.
Sauer's are stoutly built. I'd check my chokes and shoot the Federal's at doves.
Out there doing it best I can.
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Hal are you wanting 2 1/2 dram equiv or 2 1/2" length??
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The former. Guess Federals are my only option.
I've been reloading steel for over 30 years and wish to go lead-free for upland as well, especially on doves, as most of my spent shot falls on dry soil in wheat and canola stubble where it can be ingested like seeds or gravel. I read where the Missouri Conservation Department estimated 9-15 million doves die annually from load poisoning, a toll at least equal to the take by hunters.
I got my deer with lead-core 6mm again this year, but will try some solid copper bullets next year if I can find them. The lead bullets can hit a rib and fragment badly. I don't want to eat those fragments or feed them to my dog or leave a gutpile containing them for the predators or scavengers.
Are R.E.A.L. non-toxic bullets available for muzzleloaders yet?'
Would like some for my 28 ga/.577 Janeck (Dresden) buschelinte.
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Who exactly counted and diagnosed 9 to 15 million doves
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I read where the Missouri Conservation Department estimated 9-15 million doves die annually from load (lead?) poisoning, a toll at least equal to the take by hunters. In Missouri ?............ in the USA ? .............. ??? If you can, please cite the research data. Thanks, SRH
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USAF RET 1971-95
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Thanks. Nationally, I assume. Should I also assume that if a dead dove is examined, and it has a lead pellet inside it, the dove died of lead poisoning?
More "suggestions"...........
"Studies suggest that it may be possible that 8.8 to 15 million Mourning Doves are dying from lead poisoning annually—roughly the same number of doves legally harvested."
And, how does the fact that the mortality rate for healthy doves is over 50% play into those "studies", I wonder.
SRH
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