Mark: I don't know how I missed your earlier post (except that I'm doing all this on my cellphone). That Stoeger is right on the target, as is possibly a CZ gun. I'll present both of those options to this young man and see how he responds. To the rest of you folks... Thankyou Kindly! It's kinda scary how much of this stuff I'd forgotten in the last year or so. This gun game is no-different than anything else. Either use that knowledge or lose it.