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Check this out Ted...I gave the Ward vise away and bought me another mount for my Versa Vice "Gunsmith Vice". Take note Ted...They must've read this thread the newer base doesn't call for counter sunk bolt heads. http://www.willburtversavise.com/shop/kbwd9agpekwg9uyxn57iai6aflkso0Read the description in the above link...Wonder why everyone calls it a "general gunsmith vise" ?
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They can improve whatever they want, it still will never be a Wilton machinists vise.
The Wilton website doesnt say anything about golfers needing a vise. Good thing there is Wilburt to cover that need...,
Best, Ted
______________________________________ The call it general because it is generic, and nothing special.
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Ted I can why you don't care for it....
I don't see your crAftless'Ness listed in the Versa Vice description....
"CRAFTSMAN - DO-IT-YOURSELFERS - GUN SMITHS - HOBBYISTS - PLASTIC CARVERS - WELDERS - MODEL BUILDERS - ASSEMBLERS - CARPENTERS - PATTERN MAKERS - CABINET MAKERS - TOOL MAKERS - REPAIRMEN - GOLFER"
Does Wilton mention their vise is great for bicycle mechanics ?
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Probably not. Bike mechanics dont tend to be all that well payed. But, that is beside the point. Ive rebuilt about 2 dozen engines, most of them big block Olds motors, but, there was a Mazda and a few Chevrolets in there, too, a couple drill presses, generators, serviced and adjusted triggers on a bunch of R model Darnes, fitted a few recoil pads, fixed a few spinning and bait casting reels, and a folder at work. I work on everything. If I work on it, I almost always need a good vise for some part of the work. One little light duty vise isnt enough. Most guys figure that out before they have a little light duty vise.
Best, Ted
________________________________ Maybe you could sell the Parrot vise and get almost enough to buy that China Wilton, over at Lowes?
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I just bought a clean 4 Reed 204R off eBay (actually, jOe found it for me and gave me the heads up...thx jOe). . Looking forward to receiving it. Cant decide, because Im confused after reading this thread, if I should mount to my wooden work bench or a huge steel welding table?? I wont be using it for heavy duty work; Ive got a Craftsman for that 5 1/2. Maybe mount the Reed on the wooden bench and move the Craftsman to the welding table? Ted, Im guessing a jeweler wouldnt have much use for your big Wilton, although it is a very nice vise. I think its a matter of the best tool for the job?
Socialism is almost the worst.
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I just bought a clean 4 Reed 204R off eBay ... Im confused after reading this thread, if I should mount to my wooden work bench or a huge steel welding table?? I wont be using it for heavy duty work. ... I think its a matter of the best tool for the job? That's a great vise. Good find. Not surprised that this thread didn't clear things up. It went off the rails pretty early Here's my view: for a gunsmith or other similar craftsman, a mechanic/welder setup has several draw backs. The first, in my opinion, is that you wouldn't want a fine gun stock or frame to be around a welding table. Thus the lead/leather vise jaw covers, rags thrown over the screw of a post vise, etc that you see in the old gun shops. And why no serious woodworker that I've ever seen uses a steel bench. Secondly, if your bench is built well, there are very few instances where a steel table or steel post adds anything to the stability. My bench is built in to the wall, and I can stand on it without any appreciable movement. My woodworking bench is a Roubo style bench weighing about 250#. I would bet both of my benches are more stable than the majority of steel tables or even the big vise stands guys make out of pipe and wheel hubs, etc. Thirdly, for stock work, a heavy vise at a wooden bench has many advantages including tools at hand, easy horse setup, table top for rags, etc. A bolted down post like Ted's is undoubtedly very stable, and I hope to have something like that as a welding/blacksmithing/pounding setup near my anvil in the carport. I bought a 6.5" Wilton Tradesman and that is how I intend to use it. This is where my Parker 674 1/2 is going to live and where I intend to do gun work:
Jim
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Ted is going to flip out when he sees that plywood top....
I like my vise mounted on the corner of a bench gives you more of a walk around.
I don't think you're Parker is going to be happy living that sunken life.
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Ted is going to flip out when he sees that plywood top....
I like my vise mounted on the corner of a bench gives you more of a walk around.
I don't think you're Parker is going to be happy living that sunken life. Maybe so, but if I break/bend/etc 3/4 inch plywood, any gun that I'm working on will already be in splinters. As for the position, this bench is wall to wall, lag screwed into the studs. So there is no corner to mount a vise on. Unless you just mean that my Parker will be emotionally unhappy with a lowly position in life, I have a hard time seeing a disadvantage to having this vise in a well. It's such a tall vise, that having it on a lower position will make side support of anything in the vise a little easier, will bring the work to elbow level, and also creates a tool well of sorts for laying screwdrivers, files, etc. I built the bench this way for an old miter box and saw (the long saw on the wall). For my little 4" craftsman vise, I had a box that slid into that position and brought the vise higher, but that won't be an issue with this one. If anything, I think it could stand to be a little lower.
Jim
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Jim
Awesome job on the vise, looks great. In my mind there is something about using a period vise when working on period guns, especially when the vise was made by a gun company.
As far as bolting to a wooden bench... not sure what the issue is, as long as the bench can support the weight and doesn't wobble. My bench is made from old wooden flooring from railroad cars, 2 inch thick T & G oak. It aint moving.
I only have one vise mounted to a steel pole, it's my "ranch vise" 5 inch reed, on a steel pole mounted to a semi brake drum filled with concrete. It's for "Grunge work" on the ranch, I use the tractor to move it around.
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That looks like a vise set up to do assembly work. Anything you drop should be easy to find in the recess. You arent going to do real heavy persuasion work, but, you knew that. Id be very concerned about getting the broken swivel mount repaired. By tightening only one side, you are risking breaking the swivel mount. The vise needs to be fastened properly, from both sides, when it is tightened down in position.
Buzz, how do you know the vise you bought is clean? Did you dismantle it, soak it in solvent and inspect the castings for cracks, and impact fractures? Did you put the lead screw in a set of V blocks, and turn it, while indicating it, to find out if it is true? Are the bushings the lead runs in worn, or distorted? Did you inspect the threads, keeping in mind the steel buttress threads tend to distort when abused, and the bronze threads in a typical nut tend to tear under the same abuse? Is the tightening bar bent, even a little? That bar is almost always bigger than the lead screw (NOT in a Wilton round bar) and if it is bent you can bet the lead is, too. Did you walk the movable jaw in and out, and observe if and where it dog walks, and observe if one side makes contact first on the stationary jaw, and by how much? What kind of shape are the jaws in? Can you service them? Do they need to be serviced? Will you service them? My ideas of a clean used vise go a bit further than an internet photo.
Good luck with it, by the way. I havent had very good luck with used vises.
Best, Ted
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