Raimey and Mike. I know both of you, you have both been in my home and looked over my pile of "stuff", which is clearly inferior to both your piles of "stuff," and I would like to see you settle the differing accounts of this fine gentleman face to face. It's not like you are so far apart in distance that you couldn't meet somewhere and talk it over. Once you reach a general agreement as to the facts, then perhaps post it here, if it really needs posting here, which it may not. The LAST thing this forum needs is another feud between two really nice guys such as the two of you, who happen to also be two of our most learned members when it comes to German guns. I personally also don't want to see Mr. Apel's name tarnished here, I would much prefer to see stories of his very large contribution to furthering our knowledge about German guns. Stay friendly, you guys. Talk it over and work this out. Just my two cents worth, you're both good guys, no need to break a friendship, and let's not speak ill of Mr. Apel and his wonderful effort at building our field of knowledge of German guns.

In friendship.
Larry