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Who can you recommend to do this process?

Although I haven't personally had cyanide case coloring done by R.G.S. Restorations, they have been recommended to me by others that have seen their work.

http://www.rgsrestorations.com/finishes.html

CPA does wonderful cyanide to match original Stevens actions. I do not know if they do shotguns, but they would be the first place I would ask.

https://www.cparifles.com/

Shiloh Sharps is set up to do cyanide colors. I don�t know if they would consider the job, but it might be worth inquiring if things aren�t working out elsewhere.

That is true, and they have done bone charcoal case colors for NON Shiloh, nonSharps actions, so they may very well do something else for cyanide too, but they do not do the Stevens' patterning - if that is something you want.

No not a Stevens. This is a Belgium hammerless side lever 24ga double. After stripping the chrome from the receiver I�m concerned about warpage using bone and charcoal. So obviously it needs some kind of applied.

it aint the bone and charcoal that should be worrying you...its the 1400 degree F heat, typically needed to reach quenching temp that should be of the most concern...

and then there is the unknown tempering spec, to bring the frame metal back from a glass hard brittle state ...no one alive knows what that was...

suggest you leave it be and not mess with the factory heat treating...why not polish the frame to a satin finish, as seen on some english made redone guns...

These folks did all the Browning factory case coloring on their low walls. This is a custom Low Wall I had done a few years ago which started life as a Browning 1885 low wall. Company is:

SIGNAL MOUNTAIN GUN WORKS, Box 570, Roundup, MT., 59072.

I could leave it alone, but I'd rather have some color to it. I sure is hell won't be putting torch to it like you would.

tut...

Is that cyanide or char and bone? Do they have a web site?

Cyanide. Can't do Bone and Char on a Miroku Low Wall. Something about the lever and a ball and spring within. No website that I am aware of, but that could have changed as I had this done several years ago. I just had it polished up to about 600 grit and sent it in. Turn around in about 3 weeks. Turned out well IMO.

PS. I got their info direct from Browning.

Double PS. This is from the single shot forum a few years ago:

The following is a paragraph from my book on the Browning BPCR's. "The color-casehardening process was developed by and licensed from Tom Ivanoff, Tom�s Gun Repair, Inc. , Cody, Wyoming. It�s a potassium-cyanide-based process developed for volume firearm production. The process does not affect the heat treatment of the steel and the resulting case colors are reported to be more durable than those created by the traditional carbon-based �bone and charcoal� processes. The case colors on some rifles are muted and leaves a lot to be desired, while others are quite brilliant and attractive. Miroku reportedly had some problems in assimilating the process into their production flow. As a result, the differences may have been due to their inability to control the process from lot-to-lot. Also, over time the case colors can �wash out� to some extent due to natural UV radiation and the use of penetrating oils on the finish. More details on case hardening, case colors, and protecting the case colors can be found in the Appendix chapter titled �Case Hardening & Case Colors�.

By the way, Signal Mountain Gun Works owner John Witt bought Tom�s Gun Works in 2003, including the rights to the process, to which he has made significantly improvements. I understand that all the Browning & Win. color casehardening is now done by Signal Mountain.

Not as pretty but looks classy when done right, is a French Grey. Just an alternative I thought worth a mention.
JR

It�s an acquired taste. Better than a coin finish, not as nice as good charcoal case colors. But few things are worse than poorly done charcoal case colors.

yo no weildo el torcho...nor do ah go wid does who do...

tanks ah lot stan an udders...see, if you tell ah lie long enough, fools begin to believe hit...

No, Ed, it wasn't you. It was your "master gunsmith Ed Landers", wasn't it? The one to whom you sent your guns to be torched, and then defended the process. What's the real difference between doing it yourself or commissioning it to be done? At the least you were/are a willing accomplice.

You drug me back into this with the above post. Go ahead, try to lie out of it again.

SRH

Do you remember making this statement defending "master gunsmith Ed Landers" pitiful torching process?

Case colors have been safely restored to near original bright appearance.

If that is not defending his torching I don't know what is.

SRH

What boggles my mind, and what I learned here, is that Cyanide hardening actually is a harder surface than bone and charcoal hardening.

Harder, and it seems to last longer as well. Personally, I do not believe that UV light does anything at all to colors - they don't fade, they do wear. And acidic anything (sweat?) will eventually remove them.

Brent is right! Oscar did extensive tests and found light has NO effect on case colors. It is wear no light that removes color.

bill

don no nuttin bout no "torch colors"...

No one in their right mind can argue that this individual has more than zero credibility here. After all the conversations he has engaged in over the years here, concerning this very topic, he denies all.

Thanks for proving my point. Bye now.

SRH

I think you tell fibs...

I called and the guy said to call back tmrw and speak to the gunsmith. But he thought the gunsmith no longer did this service.

Called and spoke with a nice lady. She said they sold out to Tyler gun works. She gave me his number. I called and spoke with them. He can do the work.

gee stan, you soun like ah dim congress person...tryin to make sum thin appear to be real by periodically repeating the same, old unsub stan iated accusation, rumor an in u indo...sayin sum thin is so, don make hit so...unless, you have crossed over to neva neva land and are now delusional to the degree that you now actually believe your own bull shit...like sun o dim dims in congress...

Curious. Will Tyler the be doing work for Browning for case coloring? I know Signal Mountain did all of Browning's case coloring work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case-hardening ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_treating ...

so, who does french gray finish?

Have no idea. I googled Tyler gun works after talking to him. Give him a call, was easy to talk to.

look watt ah foun...

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...amp;type=thread

Gee ed, when you deny the things you've posted here, and try to say others are the ones who are lying, you sound just like King and SKB. Don't you recall telling us about heating actions with an acetylene torch, and quenching them in urine??? Or did the piss fumes rot your brain? And why are you down on lying Democrats in Congress when you share their same views about disarming the American public?

keet, hit were pickle juice, as ah re call...

an as for disarming, its the thought of wackos like you with access to any weapon that scares me...

Speaks for itself, eh?

SRH

well, ah thought hit were funny at the time...

still do...



..........hits awl bull shit...