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I call it like I see it old colonel. Your trying to equivocate the accepting of donations from Russia to a charity, to being the same thing as Russia actively working to get Trump elected because Russia knows they are going to get what they want from him, and all the while trump and the GOP are working to conceal the fact, as the same thing.

Well soldier, why don't you take a swing at it? Please explain how allowing a foreign adversary to influence or election and then take steps to conceal the influence and lie about it to the American people is neither disloyal nor unpatriotic?

Please stay on point.

Whoa, easy there wedgy. Who said anything about laying out yet another story or worrying about how one sided propaganda would fly?

Didn't barry dump random hundreds of thousands of pages of exec. orders on an unsuspecting nation every few Sunday evenings, or so? He built his legacy like a thirty-seven gal million man march, why wouldn't he just defend the nation's democracy, just once, without looking for an attaboy?

Hey, I understand if you're feeling like you need a comfort pony because of the mismatch between facts and your talking points, but what 'flexibility' did husein get from putin after he was reaffirmed as your pastor for four more years?

Russia did NOT in any way influence how I voted, & yes I not only voted I helped hold the election in my District.

My "Founding Fathers" did not write a single line in the Constitution that it was Legal to MURDER innocent Babied, born or unborn. Liberal Judges Un-constitutionally bypassed the Constitution to Legislate from the bench to enact that. Their job is NOT to legislate but to rule on the constitution.

Now I'm confused, acting or real, toxic masculinity? Just kidding, congrats for exuding the best of the best.

Evidence, Chris. There have been four different investigations that ended in shoulder shrugs. The people who ended up in trouble over taxi stamps at the hands of Mueller were not worth the cost of a single one of those investigations.

Should BH Obama have gone to prison for trying to effect the outcome of elections in Israel? It is OK if your guy does it, since, they admitted it, and, hey, collateral damage by his expanded program (NO weapons walked across the border under Bush, by the way) Fast and Furious was perfectly acceptable, or, at least worthy of executive privilege. Is that what you are saying?

How many investigations, and resulting shoulder shrugs will it take for you to admit that there was nothing to investigate, and any acting on elections by the Russians hasn�t had an effect on the outcome? Hillary was a dog candidate, the worst you had ever run, and, the best you could come up with at the time. Why don�t you worry about the collusion that kept Stupid Bernie from having a fair shake at the nomination?


You can accuse me of hating the country, but, evidence points to you and yours simply doing everything to impede the Donald J. Trump agenda. Willing to bet the next election will not have any better news for your team?

Best,
Ted

Obama to outgoing Russian President Medvedev, caught on an open microphone shortly before the 2012 election:

"I can be more flexible with Putin after the election..."

But that's old news according to the idiotic transgender nca225.

That "flexibility" was pretty apparent when Putin rolled into the Ukraine and Crimea.

Hillary's crimes and Russian collusion and acceptance of big donations to the Clinton Foundation is old news too.

So is that story about Obama meddling in the Israeli election and covering up the illegal transfers of firearms into Mexico that led to the deaths of Agent Brian Terry and others.

Old news... what about this... what about that...?

Those things don't matter to the idiotic transgender nca225 now, and they didn't matter when those crimes and misdeeds actually happened.

And how about so-called fact checking from Snopes?

Snopes is the lying Democrat tool that actually said it was incorrect that the DNC did not display the U.S. flag at the opening g of the 2016 Democrat Convention. That sounded convincing to idiots like nca225. But then the DNC apologized for not displaying the flag. Yet idiots like nca225 still think Snopes is reliable and truthful.

I really laughed about Gladys Kravitz suggesting that the transgender nca225 should read the Mueller Report! Hahahaha... that's really funny! It should be apparent from his writing that that nca225 is pretty much illiterate. He/she very well could have had rocky mtn bill as a teacher in school, by the looks of things. He/she is here for one reason, and that is to denigrate President Trump. But that is also Larry Clown's motivation for his post. Larry is no smarter than nca225 when it comes to voting for anti-gunners who work to undermine our gun rights.

A $28 million investigation by Mueller found no collusion and did not provide the indictments against Trump that CNN and all of these anti-Trump idiots predicted. When asked for proof, all they have is anti-gun Democrat horse-shit.

I'm still waiting for the evidence that Russians did anything to influence my vote. They didn't. But if they did anything to stop Hillary and the Democrats from screwing with the 2nd Amendment and flushing this nation down the Socialist sewer, then they deserve our thanks. There is nothing patriotic about voting for a candidate who promised to put anti-gun Judges on the Supreme Court.

The anger, denial, hypocrisy, and hatred of our country by the left is stunning and in full view.

I should have known better, because there is no rational discussion with them. All they can muster is talking points, biased links, insults, flat out lies, and discredited bloggers disguised as media such as Vox.

All this talk of Russia helped Trump....

I've yet to see one example of proof.

Because there is none.

Craig, what's your background in the intelligence field? The Steele Dossier falls into the category referred to as HUMINT. Human intelligence, meaning that it comes from human sources rather than signals, satellites, or cyber. HUMINT is quite often "unverified". If it were easy to verify, CIA would not go to the trouble (and run the risks) of recruiting agents (human sources with access to information we can't obtain any other way). So you look at the track record of the individual providing the information. Steele knows Russia, worked for MI-6 in Russia, and obviously developed sources there. The FBI trusted him as a confidential informant. So it's not exactly like Joe Blow from Kokomo showing up with information. You try to verify what you can, but you're often stuck with information you can't verify. Some Russian hooker says she had sex with Trump. Well, can she describe his "equipment" (like one of Clinton's accusers said she could do?) But you may be able to get hints about other bits and pieces of the Steele Dossier via other means--which causes you not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And the Steele Dossier wasn't the only "trigger". There was information from Popadopoulos. And of course the FISA warrant on Carter Page--on whom there's an FBI file going back to 2013 concerning his contacts with Russian intelligence officers. All the Page stuff is rock solid because it came from bugs planted in the Russian spooks' office. When I read it, looking at it as a former case officer, I'm saying to myself that if I were one of those Russkies, I would have been all over Carter Page. He loves Russia (clear in his testimony to Congress . . . he wanted to join Team Trump because he liked the positive noises Trump was making about Putin). And the Russians were discussing how eager he was to make lots of money. And that's pretty much the standard way Russian spooks recruit agents: They offer them lots of money. Look at any number of cases of Americans who turned traitor, and you'll find that Russia paid them well for their services. The only reason they didn't chase him back in 2013: he didn't have any access. But once Trump names him as a foreign policy adviser . . . aha! Now he potentially has excellent access. And shortly after Trump secured the nomination, Mr. Page takes off on a trip to . . . RUSSIA! If we hadn't requested a FISA warrant on him at that point, American intelligence would have been asleep on the job. Simple as that.

As for the whole idea of "collusion": Well, yes indeed, we have interfered in foreign elections. I worked for the "interferers". CIA's very first covert action operation was to provide bags of cash to the Italian Christian Democrats in the 1948 election, because it looked like the Commies might take control of Italy via the ballot box. It worked, and CIA continued to interfere in elections, foreign politics, overthrow govts etc--particularly during the Cold War. And, when they did so . . . guess what? I can't think of a single case in which CIA did NOT collude with a foreign political party, foreign opposition leader, insurgent group, etc. So, since the Intelligence Community concluded that Russia did interfere in the 2016 election, it was only logical to suspect collusion. And hints like Junior, rising to the bait of "dirt" on Hillary from the Russian govt . . . while Mueller didn't find collusion, there's no doubt that some of the Team Trump people certainly WANTED to collude. Were eager to accept dirt from the Russian government. (I'd make it clear here that I never thought Trump himself colluded. His campaign was mostly a bunch of amateurs, but even they were likely smart enough to give their candidate "plausible denial" when it came to collusion. And when one of his campaign directors (Manafort) made millions working for Putin's puppet in Ukraine, how likely did it seem--prior to the investigation--that no one in the campaign was working with the Russians? More than enough reason to take a good, hard look.

As for my "beloved" agency, they're certainly capable of making mistakes. But perhaps you can show me where either of the CIA directors chosen by Trump (Pompeo or Haspel) has denied the conclusion reached by CIA (before Obama left office) that the Russians did indeed interfere, and that they did so in an attempt to help Trump/hurt Hillary?

Finally, think on this: If those evil "deep state" plotters everyone blathers on about (like the FBI love birds) had wanted to keep Trump from winning, then why didn't they simply leak the existence of the investigation? If the American public had known that the Trump campaign was being investigated for colluding with Russia . . . I'm thinking there are hundreds of thousands of Cold War vets who couldn't have pulled the lever for Trump based on that information. Instead, the much beaten up Intelligence Community did an extremely good job of keeping the existence of the investigation a secret until after the election was over. By which time it no longer made any difference.

Why thank you, COL. Some of us--especially those like me, who worked AGAINST THE KGB IN THE FIELD, are pretty well aware of their capabilities. (We're also aware that while there isn't any KGB any more--name change to protect the guilty--the guy in charge in Russia is ex-KGB.) And if you'd read the Intelligence Community's report on Russian interference, you would know that they made no conclusion concerning any impact on the actual results of the election. But does that mean we ignore their attempts to interfere? We do know that they were able to access various state's voter registration information, for example.

Given the level of expertise within the US Intelligence Community on Russian intelligence capabilities, I think I'll stick with the conclusion they reached in their report on Russian interference:

"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments." Note that "high confidence"--by CIA, FBI, and NSA--is the highest rating the IC assigns to their analysis.