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I did acknowledge that idiot. The dossie was assumed by the Clinton's after trump got thew nomination, it was a conservative group that started the whole thing. See my first response to RARiddel and OldMaineWoodsmen.

I'm thinking some people here didn't read James Bond. Steele worked for the same outfit: MI-6, the UK's Secret Intelligence Service. CIA works more closely with them than any other allied intelligence agency. Steele's Russian sources would have been anti-Russian govt sources, not pro-Russian govt sources. And of course he was retired . . . not only no longer working for a FOREIGN government, but he'd also been a trusted confidential source of the FBI.

Fusion is an American company. No problem with an American company hiring a foreigner to work for them. The election meddling issue is a foreign GOVERNMENT meddling . . . and one more time, Steele isn't now and was not then a foreign govt employee. You might even say he was a US govt employee, working as a paid source for the FBI. And Russian govt sources would hardly provide "dirt" on Trump, since they wanted him to win. Putin wanted him to win. Straight out of the report put together by our intelligence community--and they have not changed their analysis under President Trump.

They also concluded that there's no way for them to determine the impact of the Russian influence campaign on the results of the election. Of course Jimmy Carter did say that Trump wouldn't have won without Russia's help . . . but you have to consider the source.

Trump! Trump! Trump! Make America Great Again!

God bless Our President, and God bless the USA!
JR

That would presume that the uranium 1 contributions were the only ones to the Clinton Foundation, while she was Secretary of State. I assure you, that was not the case. What would the founding fathers have though about ANY contributions to a foundation run by presidential appointee? How much were B Clinton�s speaking fees prior to and after his wife being appointed to Secretary of State, and how much did Bill receive from the Russians after that event took place?

Let�s start at the beginning of the story, shall we?

All the allegations you mention, occurred BEFORE DJ Trump took office, under the watchful eyes of the BH Obama administration, who were warned by Devin Nunez that it, election tampering, that is, would occur back in 2014. It is worth noting that the administration of BH Obama did nothing, save to say �Cut it out�

So, we hold the occupant of the White House responsible for the errors and malfeasance of the unqualified former occupant?

Try again.

Best.
Ted

I fixed it up John to show your true loyalty.

nca225:

Its interesting that you say "ills the past." Does this mean that they should be ignored? Or just ignored because they were your party?

Don't ever call me disloyal, cowardly, or selfish because I voted for President Trump. While I don't always agree, he was better than the alternative. Hillary Clinton is a career lying, corrupt individual, and who knows what under the table deals she made with our enemies since her election was "in the bag."

By the way, when I was standing watch in the North Atlantic, where were you?

When I was flying ASW patrols monitoring Soviet submarines, where were you?

When I was flying patrols off of Beirut, where were you?

When I was on the flight deck of an Amphibious Assault Ship in the Adriatic, where were you?

Maybe you served as well, I don't know. But my oath has no expiration date. I will always vote on the side of who believes in protecting, supporting, and defending our Constitution as written. Not for those who wish to destroy it.

Larry, I�m fascinated, why would you plod through all this gymnastics when Steele himself testified that his trigger document for the witch hunt was unverified? Why is it so difficult to see that your beloved agency among others seemed to have done questionable investigating and a leak/smear operation when they believed they would have continued protection from one administration to the next?

So showing past facts, unrepudiated by you, does not address the realities?

I did not condone anything, I pointed out the falsity of the current media screamers you have fallen for.

Calling me a coward, very mature and witty. So do you expect I will curl up and agree with you having been won over by the force or farce of your argument? Maybe you expected to bait me into name calling.

Read the Mueller report, I have, then get some perspective on the actual volume of the Russian influence. Compare it to the volume of political speech, internet activity, media reports, political advertising and it is really about a bucket of spit in the ocean of discourse. The true success of their actions was not to change the election but help feed an interpretation of the election. Something your posting are actually complicit in. The KGB has a whole department dedicated to disinformation and undermining our institutions. You have fallen for the trap.

Look at the total number of Russian agents identified in the Mueller Report, Times it by ten and compare it to all the other political actors in the election and get real.

You are right about many southern democrats becoming republican. Most if not All those guys are gone from politics. But the blatant identity politics they practiced as democrats remain a hallmark of political division as practiced by democrats today, only the villains have been changed. Politics of division are not unique to democrats, republicans use fear and class too. They don�t blatantly utilize bigotry, race, and nationality as the democrats do. By the way the southern democrats allies in the rest of America did not flee the party,

The southerners who fled that party provide current democrats with a get out of history free jail pass, but the continued conduct of the party belies that.

You endeavor to impose a belief system on me. While I respond to the specific issue you threw out which is foreign influence into US elections.

My ideology is simple, I am a dedicated believer in the constitution. I believe in common sense. I believe in restraint (something I failed on here by responding to your baiting) but more importantly restraint on the part of government.

My two greatest political concerns right now, which neither party is adequately addressing, much less intent on, are the national debt and the increase in all levels government control into everyday lives. The government that seeks to give you everything will end up controlling everyone.

I realize trying to argue here is more than likely a waste. Thus far you have proven that. Try focusing on actual arguments than personal attacks.

Just a thought, don�t take it personal, it�s just a learning experience of where the progressives are trying to take this great nation. I�d make no mistake about the fact that he believes he is in the service of the country, he just isn�t willing to risk anything for his emotions. Watch, he�s gonna call me thrifty the dum$hit, and start hyperventilating.

Get real, you do not know the actual orientation and beliefs of who exactly Steele sourced from. Much less their reliability. You should know full well that Disinformation has been an actual focused department of the KGB. Steele openly admitted he had an agenda of stopping Trump and was actively engaged is seeding information with that intent. It was his activity in planting leaks which got him released as a source. Not exactly the actions of a disinterested US employees. Funny the role Brit and commonwealth intel people seem to play in American political investigations.

My belief is that the Russians are more interested in destroying the credibility of American Democratic institutions than in making anyone in particular victorious. That said I remain convinced there has not been clear evidence they changed the election results. The have changed our perceptions of it. Which the left which for decades loved the Soviets, and laughed at Romney�s identifying them as a threat have made possible.