Originally Posted By: Pete
Here is another personal note. The NID is the most ugly American double ever made...bar none.

Another: The Greener with its side safety is the most unusable double in existance except for German guns likewise afflicted.

Best buy: German doubles are usually found in the $600 range at gun shows...usually in 16Ga which is the only "problem". Some like the lighter weight the 16Ga brings to bear.


I will grant that top safeties are a bit more convenient, but I've owned some Greeners and I still use a favorite 5 lb. 9 oz. 16 gauge all the time, and I find it easy enough to flick off the side safety and slightly shift my grip and shoot quite rapidly.

There are some of us who use hammer guns as well, and cocking two hammer all the way out of half-cock positions is a bit more of a chore than a side safety, but we have no problem doing it.

The Greener safety, it must be noted, is the one and only drop-proof, definitively reliable, never accidentally going off, box lock safety.

You might want a 10g or 12g for ducks and geese. A 12g would be better for driven grouse in Scotland or those ringnecks and sharptails in South Dakota wearing bullet-proof vests. But for grouse and woodcock, the 16g is the best choice. It's lighter and handier than a 12g and yet it's not a kid's or lady's gun like a 20g. In Upland Hunting, lightness and speed are of the essence. And I do not find that the Greener side safety slows me down significantly.