keith, there's always talk of the 2nd because it is sacrosanct to some and not others, with tens of thousands of infringements from municipal, state and federal governance. It's a story that doesn't need repeating. Certainly not as a member's injunction that posts must be on topic, never veered or steered away from on this forum. It may not have occurred to you that US members and from elsewhere see partisan political bashing of any kind as tiresome drivel deliberately thwarting the forum's rules. I'm encouraged that my Trend post had an engaged response, off- and on-thread, with members having their say without bashing or a rude word. It can be done.