I don't celebrate anything other than a much more moderate forum, Brian. I asked if the US and NZ anti-gun legislation were a trend: two countries of two distinct cultures acting similarly on national policy as consequence of massacres. I noted little response on the forum, one way or the other, and offered my impression of Canadian gun and gun-shop owners and their organizations as giving up gun rights as a lost cause. If that were so, Canada with its own massacres, US and NZ are in the same boat. A trend?