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l have no dog in this fight...but I believe he has posted pics of his 28ga. Elise at 28 Gauge society...?

That was his Marlin/Zabala 28 Gauge

Here you go Larry
https://shootingsportsman.com/community/...tmas-everybody/

I'm not stalking Dave, but he's hard to miss. What gets to me is that most of his (bizarre) claims are based on "personal conversations" with Ithaca and Hunter Arms employees, John Houchins, Col. Brophy, Walt Schiessl; all of whom are gone and can't confirm or deny his assertions.
Tom Archer, Townsend Breeden, Jim Stubbendieck, the late Dick Miller and others know more about Smith guns and Hunter Arms history than "The L.C. Smith Man" has made up.

If someone, anyone, wants to believe their gun was specially built for the tooth fairy, I don�t automatically have a problem with that. But, don�t offer up some BS that validated what you believe. Also, don�t imply a guy like Dewey Vicknair is unqualified to work on your tooth fairy gun, because he has had enough of the particular brand of decay tooth fairy guns are known for, and doesn�t want to deal with crap like that anymore. Another thing, don�t challenge anybody to explain �engineeringly� how the Brown rotary bolt in your tooth fairy gun could possibly come loose. Because everybody knows it is impossible for a Brown rotary bolt to come loose.

Until they do. Just ask Dewey.

Best,
Ted

Dewey...or keith.

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Not quite "One and the same" Bill. The only things I can think of that Mr. Ryman GD and yours truly might share is an appreciation for the writing skills of the late George Bird Evans, and possibly Graded L.C. Smiths--

If you should care to do so, please re-examine the photos of Mr. Ryman Gun Dog with the recent photo of yours truly- in the post I started recently about Sporterized 1903 Springfields. I am sure you'll note the difference-- RWTF

http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=206793#206793

Yea and toAd'e frogs don't sizzle in Stan's jOe'ja skillet....

Better go ask forgiveness preAcher bOy.

Just an observation...

Drew-- I think you are "spot on" in your response to this gentleman from PA- with some superb gun dogs, and possibly, an over-inflated ego that makes him spin "fantasy fables" about what well might be known as "tarted-up"shotguns.

That LeFever Nitro Special is a garish example of the worse taste in gun "embellishment" that serves no useful purpose afield. I tend to lean more toward the "Hemingway viewpoint" Guns are tools, and as he said it best: "a GUN is to shoot with"--

If you might have read the recent books on the late writer and his guns, you will see that the guns he used the most over his adult lifetime were "plain field guns- The M12- 30" Full- solid rib, the early Browning O/U 28" solid rib, DT, AE- and his G&H Springfield 1903 sporterized rifle.

Many years ago, I had a LeFever Nitro Special 20 gauge- for grouse and woodcock mainly-- 28" open choked, extractors, red solid Ithaca pad-- fit me like a Armani suit on a Goombah-- and before then, I had a LeFever Durston special, also in 20 gauge. Both guns fit me well, and accounted for a few birds every now and then.

Neither had engraving, or Germanic styled carved stocks- they were "tools of the trade"

I also concur with the gents who stated that few grouse hunters would take a high grade engraved "show piece" shotgun into the thickets and brambles one encounters while hunting grouse (and other game birds)--

RWTF

This is classic schizophrenic pseudo-intellectual tripe. It's like baking a cake.

In steps:

1. Speak with flowerish prose, being arrogantly dismissive of random things.
2. Drops names of legitimate figures (Bill Brophy, Joe Whitworth) to attach your statement to other credible sources.
3. Make obvious points which are essentially inarguable, but offer them as if they are treasured 'nuggets' -- "Hunter Arms produced many pre-production special order guns, never say never when talking about L.C. Smith double guns, usually you end up with egg on your face when you do, as somebody hands you the gun to look at. As Bill Brophy said, if you had the money, Hunter Arms would make you the gun, any way you wanted it."
4. Make any references to other credible sources sound vaguely [but deniably] as if what was said, was said to HIM personally. "As Bill Brophy was fond of saying..." Just like ole Bill used to tell you when you two were sippin sweet tea on the porch.
5. Now feel free to intersperse invented "facts." And only someone who truly KNOWS their stuff will question you. Which is why you hide out as an "expert" in double guns on mainstream forums where most guys just wanna talk about what turkey choke to use on their 870 this season.

It's "fake expert by number." And sadly, he has used this little formula in enough threads that years from now people will still be perplexed when researching a topic.

"Wait, so...my Nitro Special which appears to have been rocking chair whittled by the banjo kid from Deliverance is actually a 1,000 Grade Syracuse Lefever?"

"My L.C. Smith with bench grinder polished frame is actually a 'Silver breech' rarity? Jackpot!"

Nudge

BTW, I would love to hear the LCSCA guys chime in on some of these "pre-production" guns.

And a 20 gauge, no less!!

Serial # 2!

With Whitworth barrels!

How is it Jim Stubbendieck wrote a book and never even touched on these? Pft...some researcher he is.

This kind of shoddy info is exactly why Joe Whitworth was always VERY skeptical of what he read on the internet. At least, that's what he told me.

Nudge