My experience with Tobin guns [I have owned a half dozen] has not been what Ted said . I notice Ted bought guns that were High Mileage. The ones I have owned were quite tight and did not come under Teds blanket. I have seen many other makes of heavily used guns that , if used as a blanket description for all of that make, would also be incorrect. Of course, we have had this same discussion here before. One may check those discussions and also Drews pictures for more information.