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So I have been very curious about Army and Navy Co Op guns. I know Webley and Scott/ W&C Scott supplied some, who else may have had a had in their retail operation? Did John Wilkes ever supply guns to them?  
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That gun (and the wood chair it's positioned on), looks so similar to one I had and sold a couple years ago, I had to check the serial numbers. Can't answer your question about Wilkes. I really liked a lot about mine but the stock was short and I had enough projects on the go.....I knew it would be a long time before I addressed the 13" stock. It had heel and toe plates so in my mind, a pad was not an option.
Mine was serial #6616
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The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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The gun pictured is a Scott Screw grip.....can not comment on the Wilkes connection.
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the gun in the pics is not mine, but there is one for sale that is exactly the same gun, no cocking dogs or retainer screw at the hinge, just a pin but does have a screw at the bolsters for the firing pins , so kind of threw me off on the WC Scott. I was thinking early Webley?
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I'm terrible with the Scott/Webely & Scott history. The top lever patent is for the screw spindle that the lever sits in. That spindle is threaded into the action and works on the rib extension.
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I believe its a Webley Screw grip, not a Scott patent.
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I believe its a Webley Screw grip, not a Scott patent. Technically a mix of two patents. Scotts patent on the spindle. Webleys patent on the grip and two piece top lever. Screw grip is basically a Scott spindle, with threads cut the full length of the spindle incorporating a small third grip. Where in the world did you get the idea that Wilkes (a very small shop) built any guns for A & N?
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from this nonsense, I didn't think it was correct, but I do like the gun. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/793770601
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I would run away from this one. The very flowery description tells me nothing about proof status, wall thickness etc. What proof marks I (think) are there are BP only. Although Wilkes did make a few guns for the trade there is no evidence that this is one of theirs.Most likely from Scotts as evidenced by the 'patent' top lever(without mention of patent use as for the A & D action).
Not a clue where the beads came from, original they are not.
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