Originally Posted By: canvasback
Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: canvasback


IMHO your us or them attitude is no better than the Antifa us or them attitude. The only difference is your positions are likely more effective in building a better society and country. But your polarization works against that objective. I'm surprised a smart guy like you doesn't see that.


We've had this discussion before James. After many years of thinking like you and many others that we gun owners are all in this together, I finally came to the conclusion that we do ourselves no favors by coddling and embracing back-stabbers. We spend a great deal of time, effort, and money attempting to preserve our rights and freedoms, only to have a minority of gun owners undermining us by supporting the politicians that work relentlessly to take away our guns.

If I agreed with 95% of what some Republican politicians were for, but they wanted to ban my guns, I would withhold my support for them and relentlessly pressure them to respect my Constitutional Rights. Or I would find another politician who actually respected the Constitution to vote for. I did not vote for my Republican Senator Pat Toomey in the last election, and I e-mailed him to tell him why he didn't get my vote or my support. His support for Obama's gun restrictions had gone way beyond simply choosing the lesser of two evils. I urge other gun owners to reject him too, unless he changes. I don't see many Liberal Left Democrat gun owners doing a thing to change their politician's negative prevailing attitude toward gun rights. Do you? That's why I say they are as dumb as someone who would hire a pedophile to babysit their kids, or who would bring termites into a wood framed house. And alienating them does no harm, because they are already stabbing you in the back. Who needs them?

I'm very surprised that a smart guy like you doesn't see that.


Who needs them, you ask? You do? And every other gun owner and supporter of the 2cd.

They are, odds are, the easiest to convert to our way of thinking. But not when we shit all over them. And we need converts because demographics alone will destroy the 2cd and hunting both. Maybe not in our lifetimes Keith but a good chance in our childrens' lives.

But besides that, to what end, what benefit is gained by this polarization and hatred? It doesn't move your agenda forward. It's not Christian and hatred diminishes each of us who engage in it, even when we have good reason.

But all this is a little off my original point. Why shouldn't Steve say what he thinks. We do. Isn't that what your 1st is all about?


Sorry James, but no, we don't need them... the supporters of anti-gunners in our midst. They are no good for us or the preservation of 2nd Amendment Rights. And you cannot show me even one here that you have converted to our way of thinking. They will not help to thwart the destruction of the 2nd Amendment... they are willing participants in it.

So what benefit is gained by my thought that we should reject and marginalize them? That's easy too. By accepting and embracing them, we are teaching them that there are no repercussions to stabbing the majority of gun owners in the backs. You are telling them that their back-stabbing is somehow acceptable because they own, or claim to own and shoot a few guns. We should not be permitting them to get away with electing and supporting those anti-gunners who threaten your rights, and those of your children and grandchildren. Let them go... reject them. They can't do any more damage than they already are by undermining us.

And I never said that Lefty Stevie SKB shouldn't say what he thinks. In fact, I think he should say it all like King instead of pretending that he is Conservative or Independent Moderate. After all, it should be obvious to you that he spends an inordinate amount of time denigrating and criticizing Republicans, while tossing a few soft balls toward his favored Liberal Democrats in order to try to hide his true attitudes. I think he should just come out of his closet already.

Voting for anti-gun Democrats is dumber than giving treats to a dog that shits on a Persian Rug