Just noted on another thread that keith seems of same mind concerning grouse habitat: " I always did much better in heavier cover, logged out areas and slashings, and especially in and near stands of wild grapevines. Grouse cover is variable, and the chain saw and logger is your friend." Arguably the most sophisticated forestry in eastern North America is on Irving-owned lands in New Brunswick and Maine---a magnet for upland grouse and woodcock hunters. An American buddy doesn't miss a year in NB with his dogs.