Doug, thought you might find the following interesting.

Handling properties of Tate #08 are in my handling data base.

12 bore top lever hammer gun, 30" bbls, 15" LOP, 7# 7 oz, 4 3/4" balance to front trigger, 1.95 unmounted swing effort, 8.21 mounted swing effort, and 11.02 compactness.

Gun #08 is a poster child for lighter weight live pigeon guns. Compare to the following Scott Pigeon Club TLHG: 12 bore, 30" bbls, 15" LOP, 7# 14 oz, 5" balance, 1.98 unmounted swing, 8.75 mounted, and 10.81 compactness.

DDA