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Hello. First time posting on the forum. I purchased a used side by side shotgun from Simpson LTD. They advertised it as an AYA. The shotgun barrels indicate the gun was mad in Italy and it has Italian Proofmarks. There is no indication which manufacture made the shotgun but there is a stamp that is not a Proofmark. It is a shield with a star in the shield. Does anyone have resources in regards to the manufacture stamps? I have emailed the proofhouse in Italy that proofed the gun but they have not responded. Thanks
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 Peddled in Sweden by: AKTIEBOLAGET Vapen-Depoten-Falun Jakt och Fiske - Katalog Nr. 92 - 1952 Allt för jakt och vildmark - 1982 Cheers, Raimey rse
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Last edited by Daryl Hallquist; 05/30/18 12:06 PM.
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Lovely find. Interesting fleur de lis stamps as well as Crowned Gothic F? on the tubes. I wonder if the fleur de lis stamps were a control mark of Toni? At this juncture, the Italians were sourcing Liege for their pattern welded tubes. Is the last term "ROMA" noting T. Toni has a shop in Rome?
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 Note how the inhouse marks mimic the German Proofhouse ones. I don't believe any touchmark below the PSF is a proofmark. https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=100974852Cheers, Raimey rse
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Raimey, I think Roma was the location of Toni's shop. Daryl
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So does Roma = Rome?
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I wish I could look at that 1969 catalog and read Swedish. Still no response from the Gardone proofhouse
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Lifted images from a 1975 catalogue where it appears they peddled every flavour of shotgun from Bakial to Simson.....  Bakial Modells 326 & 358  Simson 76E Cheers, Raimey rse
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Raimey, yes, Roma means Rome. Or were you thinking of the guy who sells bbq ribs ?
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XXV = 1969 manufacture date, the star above the shield is the mark for the Gardone proof house, the star above PSF indicates smokeless powder, the star above "FINITO" means definitive final proof and ready for sale,
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I have been able to figure all that out. The question is the shield with star in it. I am assuming it’s a Makers stamp/mark
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You can search an image on google. Go to image.google.com, drag your image onto the search bar and voila.
I tried hypersnap cutting the shield and star out, rotating it, enhancing it and pasting it onto google. The inside of the star is too vague to get results. I tried outlining the star on my Mac but didn't work. You might try taking a pen or marker...darkening the star, taking a high resolution picture of the image and then dragging it into image.google.com and see what turns up. I would think that a outline of the shield and star drawn on a piece of paper would work better.
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A star within a shield is a Izhevsk proof mark. I have asked our Russian friend to confirm this and will post if he comes up positive.
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USAF RET 1971-95 ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/57865_80x60.jpg)
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Also the barrels are marked made in Italy
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I used to speak good Italian - it's pretty bad now but a year ago started to make this list....I didn't get very far. But I did try googling various words on the subject without success:' "
-- shield - scudo
-- star - Stella
-- mark - marchi"
-- stamp - punzoni
-- fabbricante di armi - gun maker
-- Marchio di Fabrica or "Marchio registrato" - trademark";
etc. etc.
(I love this language - it just rolls off the tongue and makes you feel happy)
Alesaggio - bore
Anima cilindrica - bore
Anima della Canna - bore
Armi - weapons
Armi da caccia - hunting guns
Asta - forestock
Artigiano - artisan
Artigianale - artisanal
Astino - forestock
Bascula - action, receiver
Becco di Calcio - comb
Bindella - rib
.. Bindella Ventilata - ventilated rib
Bossolo - cartridge, shell
Borra contenitore - wad
Brasato - brazed
Bronzo - bronzo
Calcio - stock
..Becco del calcio - stock comb
..Calcio all’inglese - English straight stock
..Calcio a pistola - pistol grip
..Calcio a mezza pistola - semi-pistol grip
..Calcio Montecarlo - semi-pistol grip with comb indented at the butt
Calciolo - butt plate
Calibro(i) - caliber
camera - chamber
.. Camera di scoppio - chamber
Cartuccia - cartridge
Canna(e) var: Cani, Cane - barrel(s)
..Canne liscia - smoothbore
..Monocanna - single barrel
..canne giustapposte - SxS
..canne sovrapposte - O/U
Cani eserni - hammergun
Cani Interni - hammerless
Canne giustapposti - SxS
Casa(e) (la) - housing
Chiave - key
Chiave di apertura - key
Culatta - chamber lip
Deviazione al tallone - cast off
Deviazione alla punta - cast on
Doppietta - double barrel
Finestra espulsione - ejection port
Fondello in metallo - brass base of a shotgun shell
Fucile(i) - long gun(s)
Fucile(i) da caccia - shotgun(s).
Grilletto - trigger
Grilletto doppiette - double trigger
Grilletto regolabile - single trigger
Guardamano - trigger guard
Innesco - primer
Impugnatura - grip
Lina di Mira - line of sight
Logo - Logo
Lunghezza calcio - length of pull
Maglietta - sling bracket
..Maglietta canne - sling bracket barrels
..Maglietta calcio - sling bracket stock
Marchi di Prova - proof marks
Marchi - marks
Martellina - flash pan (Flint lock)
Mira -
Mirino - front sight/bead
Monoblocco - monoblocco
Monocolpo - single-shot
Naso - Comb
Ottone - brass
Pallini - shot
Paragrilletto - trigger guard
Peso(i) - weight(s)
..Grammi - grams
.. Libbri - pounds
Pezzi - parts
Piega tallone - drop (stock measurement)
Pistole - pistol
Polvere - powder
Portamolis cane - firing pin
Porta bretella - sling bracket
Proiettile - bullet
Paralleli - SxS
Paramano - forestock
Pietra Focaia - flint piece
Poggiavano - forestocK
Punta - butt toe
Punzoni - stamps
Punzoni delle armi - stamps on the weapon
Punzonature sulle armi - stamp marks on the weapon(s)
Raccordo - taper from the chamber
Ricupero di gaz - gas activated
Semiautomatico - semi-automatic
Sicura -safety
Sovrapposto - over/under
Tallone - butt heel
Tappa Asta - magazine screw cap (pump or auto)
Volata - choke
..Vivo di Volata - choke
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I received this email this morning.
Good morning,
referring to your e-mail request I inform you that the manufacturer of the weapon is LUCCHINI STEFANO.
I do not have any other information
Best regards,
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From this Article: http://www.opalbrescia.it/Pubblicazioni/...o%20Tombola.pdfby. Carlo Tombola Il distretto armiero bresciano(Difficulties of the Brescia Arms Industry Appendice A: Imprese del settore Armi – produzione e ingrosso, 2000  Italian gun makers and shops https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=45.64620799999998%2C10.287323000000015&spn=0.227532%2C0.609741&hl=de&t=h&msa=0&z=11&ie=UTF8&mid=1KJ9pgq7z8ErKbKodCxoFNRvX1Qg Di Lucchini Stefano & C. Snc  http://www.invaltrompia.it/categorie/produzione/01tabarmaioli.htm
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Any idea if they make quality firearms?
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Last edited by Argo44; 06/04/18 02:11 PM.
Baluch are not Brahui, Brahui are Baluch
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Good to see Gardone got back to you.
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Yeah, I'm impressed. Just to connect the image w/ the name:  Lucchini Stefano & C. Snc Cheers, Raimey rse
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Any chance we could see a photo of the whole gun, receiver, stock, barrels?
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 All upon which I could lay my hands. Cheers, Raimey rse
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