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Unless it was cobbled together recently from old components, I still contend it is from right around WWI. Not sure why, but the Italians commenced sourcing the mechanics @ Liege about this time & at first the advertising was in French & followed by Italian:

Fucile Rinforzato Speciale Per Polveri Bianche

There are just too many Acier Mannesmann...... that landed up in Italy for those to not be inland production of foreign components.

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Thanks to all, for your inputs, insights & feedback - I appreciate every bit of it.


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A few terms atop Belgian type longarms:

Acier Special Pour Poudre Pyroxylée

Pour Poudres Blanches

FUSIL SPECIAL POUR HONORER BLANCHES(?)

FUSIL SPECIAL POUR POUDRE BLANCHE

Poudre Pyroxylée

I'm sure we can include: Acier Mannesman Special. I'll see what other French phrases on which I might stumble.

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Fabrication Speciale Pour L'Emploi Rationnel Des Poudres Sans Fumée

ACIER GARANTI

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FWIW, while surfing for information about Belgian gun marks today, I read that Belgian shotguns with only the word "CHOKE" and the bore size, which is what's stamped onto the barrel bottom of this example, were made after 1924.

Might this gun have, ergo, been made after 1924 ?

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Nah, if it had one Belgian proofmark, it would wear the full regiment of marks. It is either an early Italian double prior to the opening of the proof facility or adoption by the Italians of the International Proof Conference or something cobbled together during wartime seeing it doesn't wear a full contingent of proofmarks from any country.


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Sorry for the long lag time.........

I suffered some complications, long after my open heart surgery, and only got to shoot this gun. (Brrr, MAN ! Was it ever cold out !)

Anyway, my first shots were to check the POI @ 30yds (All I shot with it was 2-1/2" RST lo-pressure shells) - both barrel's convergence was very close (about 8" apart) with a fairly even shot dispersion.

Each barrel was apparently choked differently, looking like IC/MOD.

After the POI check, I shot a half round of Trap, breaking 9 out of 13 clays - I stopped because it was very cold out, and I was fairly satisfied with the performance.



The gun developed some issues during the day:

* The LH hammer would not latch at full cock - it turned out that the tumbler inside the lockplate was soft & the sear had worn it, so I recut the cocking notch & case hardened the tumbler to fix it.

* A sticking/protruding RH firing pin, which I repaired via removing a small burr from the inside of the nipple that retains the FP and it's return spring in the frame.

* And later, an intermittent "no hammer drop" when the LH trigger was pulled - which turned out to be a sloppy trigger pivot point on that side, fixed with a new pivot pin and a thin shim to remove the side slop.

* Seeing the soft/worn LH lock's tumbler, I pulled the RH lock & found no wear there, but case hardened the RH lock's tumbler while I was about the job.



Also, since last Fall, I stumbled across a like-new luggage-style case for $20, that the hammer gun fitted nicely;







Hopefully, I'll be able to shoot it a little more before hunting season this coming Fall - once I get past an infection I developed last week (sigh).



Again, thank you all, for your insight/input about this hammer gun.


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The Firm Mannesman, was(is)a large company that made many things. As I recall, while working in the Facilities Engineers at Wuerzburg, pipe and other materials in several of our contracts were supplied by Firma Mannesman.
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Hell of a case for $20!

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Looks like a CSM canvas and leather one, $325.00 separately.
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