thanks; that was pretty much my impression just looking over one. things like heat treat you can't see but as noted - for the cost - i couldn't see much to complain about. looked like perhaps a tad "rougher around the edges" than the other's i'd mentioned but for the money, so what. i was mostly wondering if they chronically had sear noses round off, ribs separate, that sort of thing but doesn't sound like anything there to worry about.

roger