This is a Birmy boxlock with a big name on the side. To me, high condition is decent, 80-90% not a mint condition gun. I would not pay more than 4K for a box lock with a name on the side when I could get the same gun with a lesser name on it for half or two thirds the price. People need to stop buying the name on the gun instead of buying the gun for what it is.

Here is a perfect example. In the 1970s Ford sold the Pinto runabout for about 3k new. They also made the same car and put the name Bobcat on it for Mercury and priced it 500-600 more for the same car. Im not buying a Pinto dressed up as a Bobcat for the extra money. A Birmy gun is a Birmy gun. If you put H&H on it but know it was made in Birmy are you willing to pay twice what that gun would sell for if it had Clyde on the side of it? Im not. So yeah, its a 4K gun to me.