Look at Shell R Us website Karl. Just google it then check out the Caledonian shells. They are about $65.00 per 10 box flat. I killed more quail than I care to admit with their 1 oz shells at less than 1200 FPS. They charge for shipping though. Good shells imho and they have 12b 1 oz , 7/8 oz and 3/4 oz. I only buy 1 oz for hunting. RE the 16b English gun, it nestles well. wink

Socialism is almost the worst.