Rudeness, bullying, serial self-abasement on keith's part, have been part of the forum, now considerably less, but I stand by not seeing evidence of anti-gunners here. The notion anti-gunners are those not thinking as keith is absurd.

I'll say this about jager: I'm as curious as others about his personal circumstances but for the way he's insulted he acts with praiseworthy decorum, an example for all of us. No one's perfect; we're all different.