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Those BL beretta Guns are nice, but kinda heavy in 12 gauge.
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Good gun for someone looking to get into competition.
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I guess he thinks he's gun skOOling us...
Personally I don't think it such a good deal.
Truth is it's quite the junk gun that's why it's priced as low as it is....lot better guns for just a little more money.
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Listing not Found Sorry! You're too late. The Beretta BL-4 12 Gauge GI# 100996299 has been sold. Click here to see what else is available by Cabelas East Hartford. Looks like it sold 
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I guess he thinks he's gun skOOling us...
Personally I don't think it such a good deal.
Truth is it's quite the junk gun that's why it's priced as low as it is....lot better guns for just a little more money. Sorry jOe, this time you are wrong.  Beretta BL guns are very good guns for the money. They are similar, but not as fancy as the Beretta ASE guns which enjoy an excellent reputation. In my opinion, not only are the BL guns good guns, they are great guns.
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The beretta BL and S5x series were the first over/under beretta successfully made as an "assembly line" gun. They may not have had the replaceable lugs, but as field grade guns they were light and could shoot anything. They are very good guns. These were later replaced with the 68x series guns.
The early ASEs required a lot of hand fitting to complete. These were best boxlock guns.
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I guess he thinks he's gun skOOling us...
Personally I don't think it such a good deal.
Truth is it's quite the junk gun that's why it's priced as low as it is....lot better guns for just a little more money. Give an idiot enough rope... JR
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Someone scooped that one up pretty fast. Seemed on the heavy side to me but perfect for competition work.
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That gun heavy? Anyone have a Remington 3200?
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Yes, but have you seen anyone hunt with a Remington 3200?
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Yes, I did at one time many moons ago with a field grade. Dove, quail and a buddy borrowed it for turkeys one year. Last time I used it was on late season dove ten years ago. I've had it 40 years. Gil
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Lightweight guns for field use are overrated, IMHO. That said, I've never hunted the mountains.
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Stan, light vs. "heavy" may have something to with the age of the hunter. My late dad used to "complain" that he could hit the golf ball farther with the old clubs he had 40 years earlier versus the newer clubs he used into his late 70's. Gil
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There is a reason the gun has poor reviews.
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There is a reason the gun has poor reviews. What poor reviews? The only thing I remember years ago from Sporting Gun gun review was that single selective trigger on old ones worked best with heaver loads not always resetting the firing mechanism to top barrel if light load was used in bottom one. I thought that issue has been resolved long ago. What is the problem now?
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There is a reason the gun has poor reviews. Lets see a poor review jOe. Ive never seen one on that particular series of guns. Can you please produce the poor review for us? Thanks jOe.
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Stan, light vs. "heavy" may have something to with the age of the hunter. My late dad used to "complain" that he could hit the golf ball farther with the old clubs he had 40 years earlier versus the newer clubs he used into his late 70's. Gil I'm sure you're right about that, Gil. And, I have no issue with that, or anyone who prefers a lightweight shotgun. SRH
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Poor reviews, love to hear one as well, I have a BL2s even with the goofy a** trigger I have no complaints other than it weighs 6lbs 10oz and a full day of shooting gets a little raw. Other than that its a solid gun and a sleeper at that!
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There is a reason the gun has poor reviews. Lets see a poor review jOe. Ive never seen one on that particular series of guns. Can you please produce the poor review for us? Thanks jOe. When he posted the link to the gun I googled the gun...try googling it yourself I'm not interested in researching it again to prove anything to yOu or your communist buddy jeiger'dingle. I first thought these mOrons at Cabelas might be messing up on their pricing....Seems they were not. Few bucks more I'd buy a used Browning.
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Poor reviews, love to hear one as well, I have a BL2s even with the goofy a** trigger I have no complaints other than it weighs 6lbs 10oz and a full day of shooting gets a little raw. Other than that its a solid gun and a sleeper at that! A 6 lbs. 10 oz. 12 gauge now that's sweet. I got the wrong impression based on that one that just sold. I wonder what made that one so out of line concerning its weight.
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Aha......no need to get nasty jOe. I did google it and I cant find a poor review other than parts are sometimes hard to come by. By not proving what you say is fact may only diminish your credibility.....just thought you would want to show us that you are indeed credible. Guess that doesnt matter to you? Hmmmm....
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Using google, no less, to research a gun, and coming up with a Browning versus a Beretta as the automatic, say-no-more better design for everybody.
This needs to be stickied, at the top of the list, just to prove that with old age does NOT necesarilly come wisdom.
Sometimes, you get equal measures arrogance and stupidity.
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Come on Teddy bOy...
Tell these fellers how next to the contraption of dArne shoot gun the next best is a your mOssberg pump.
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Exhibit number 3. Efficient use of rope.
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A Browning is a better gun...and can be had for close to the same money.
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Your google supported opinion means nothing.
Really.
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Nor does an infidels opinion that thinks a Mossberg pump was the best pump gun ever made.
And that a Darne'it shotgun is the next best thing to French piss soup...
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Nor does an infidels opinion that thinks a Mossberg pump was the best pump gun ever made.
And that a Darne'it shotgun is the next best thing to French piss soup... French like Italians have very good food. The only shoty I want is post 1964 Darne 16ga. Not saying I'm not going to sneak in another old vintage police/military shotgun, but Darne gets the priority.
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If anyone deserves a dArne shoots gun it's you....
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PJ,
I'm not sure why anyone would specify they want a post 1964 Darne. Since a bunch of the production that ended up here, or, in Canada, was built and numbered out of sequence with production for Europe, I'm not sure one can nail down a production time frame on guns they find here in the states prior to Paul Bruchet's ownership of the company.
Sometime prior to the second world war, the Darne company just started having everything, from R10s to the highest grades, triple proofed. There was a clarification to the laws of proof in 1964, but, it didn't really change anything Darne had been doing for a long time. Guns with 75mm chambers are proofed to the same level as 2 3/4" guns.
1964 was right at the beginning of an economic downturn in the French economy, and 1965 saw a bunch of companies drop out, merge, or discontinue products-the Charlin disappeared in 1965. Run of the mill guns weren't finished as nice as they might have been 10 years or so prior. Gil's R10 20 gauge that I sold him is a late 1940s guns, and I have never seen an example built in the 1960s that could compare to the gun, in quality of wood or finish.
Where did you get the notion that you would want something built after 1964?
As to the mountain clown who posted about the superiority of a Browning over a Beretta, and offered up no evidence that matters as to why that might be, I'd like to point out that any number of little 16-18 year old girls who participate in our local high school trap and skeet leagues could beat his fat ugly ass seven ways from sunday, any day of the week, with any gun he showed up with. And, look good doing it.
WIth their Mossberg pumps.
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French like Italians have very good food. The only shoty I want is post 1964 Darne 16ga. Not saying I'm not going to sneak in another old vintage police/military shotgun, but Darne gets the priority. Jagermeister might spring for some French food... like French fries, but you'll see CNN endorsing Donald Trump for re-election before you'll see him buy any Darne. Jagermeister is a tire-kicker who doesn't own one lousy double shotgun, and lies to us about guns he claimed to own, but never actually bought. 
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Mountain clowns and tire kickers. Theres a country music song in there somewhere. _________________________ Rocked em in Raleigh, knocked em out in Knoxville. https://youtu.be/Sf2zGnm_NbM
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Keith,
I think PJ is close to 80 years of age. I don't know a single 80 year old (and I know a few of them) who is actually in the market for a Darne, but, you never know.
But, when I see something posted that strikes me as odd about sliding breech guns, and, especially Darne versions of same, I like to know what the poster is thinking.
I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would specify 1964 or newer on a Darne. So, I asked.
We have far more clarity about sliding breech guns, now, versus when I first started looking, with money in hand, circa 1981 or so.
I like to keep it that way.
Never took a shine to country music, Lonnie. They play a lot of that in Detroit?
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Hello, Ted
Maybe Jag just wants to chop one up for when him and King go on some flying adventure in Nova Scotia. Most of the future pilots in my Basic School class were pretty stupid, but not stupid enough to chop up a Purdey.
Why wouldnt they play country music in Detroit? We have a rich and varied musical culture.
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....when I see something posted that strikes me as odd...
....I like to know what the poster is thinking.
I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would specify 1964 or newer.... He was probably thinking they're like Winchesters and have more collector value, to him?
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The is Darne up for auction next month. I i dont know if it is pre or post 64, nor why I should care.
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As to the mountain clown who posted about the superiority of a Browning over a Beretta
Mr. Sniffle'beAn I said a Browning Citori was a better buy/gun than that Beretta. Not all Berettas frAnswha....
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PJ,
I'm not sure why anyone would specify they want a post 1964 Darne. Since a bunch of the production that ended up here, or, in Canada, was built and numbered out of sequence with production for Europe, I'm not sure one can nail down a production time frame on guns they find here in the states prior to Paul Bruchet's ownership of the company.
Sometime prior to the second world war, the Darne company just started having everything, from R10s to the highest grades, triple proofed. There was a clarification to the laws of proof in 1964, but, it didn't really change anything Darne had been doing for a long time. Guns with 75mm chambers are proofed to the same level as 2 3/4" guns.
1964 was right at the beginning of an economic downturn in the French economy, and 1965 saw a bunch of companies drop out, merge, or discontinue products-the Charlin disappeared in 1965. Run of the mill guns weren't finished as nice as they might have been 10 years or so prior. Gil's R10 20 gauge that I sold him is a late 1940s guns, and I have never seen an example built in the 1960s that could compare to the gun, in quality of wood or finish.
Where did you get the notion that you would want something built after 1964?
As to the mountain clown who posted about the superiority of a Browning over a Beretta, and offered up no evidence that matters as to why that might be, I'd like to point out that any number of little 16-18 year old girls who participate in our local high school trap and skeet leagues could beat his fat ugly ass seven ways from sunday, any day of the week, with any gun he showed up with. And, look good doing it.
WIth their Mossberg pumps.
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As to the mountain clown who posted about the superiority of a Browning over a Beretta
Mr. Sniffle'beAn I said a Browning Citori was a better buy/gun than that Beretta. Not all Berettas frAnswha.... A gunsmith former gunshop owner advised me against the Citori when I was looking to buy one or the other. He had seen fewer problems with the Beretta 686/7 series than with the Citori. When the Berettas had issues, he could get parts; when the Brownings had issues, he had problems obtaining parts. As he no longer sold guns, his opinion was not tainted by an overstocked, unsold inventory of Berettas.. Gil
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The Beretta is more advanced design with lower action height and having "U-shaped bolt' that can be exchanged for one with larger prongs to allow for wear.
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I have found the 682 and 687 Berettas to be absolutely reliable. My 20 ga. 697 SPII Sporting will be going to Argentina for the third time in August. It has never had any maintenance except cleaning and lubing, and has stood in good stead for 16 dove seasons stateside as well.
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One of the gunsmiths at Ahlman's Custom Gun replaced a firing pin in a Beretta for my Dad. Told him that was the only part that ever caused a problem, it was a 10 minute fix, on the counter, while we waited. We bought a spare, just in case-that was 40 years ago. That is the only problem I've ever witnessed with any of the Berettas in my circle of friends, and there are about 2 dozen of those guns in that group. Small sample, but, notable.
Over on 16ga.com, the Citori FTF problem is hashed out in great detail several times a year, usually in the fall, when guys figure out their Browning is a none shot.
Clown boy, you can have your Citoris, and your google searches for gun information.
I guess even this little village has it's idiot, and his name is Frank.
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In some 17 years of shooting sporting seriously I have seen many Browning O/U guns worn out to the point that they unbolted after the first shot. I've seen them with rubber bands wrapped around the wrist and hooked on each end around the top lever to prevent that. I knew one guy who really shot a lot, every chance he got, and he owned three Brownings, exactly alike. One was in the shop being rebolted nearly all the time. In all that time I've only known of one Beretta that had to be rebolted. All O/Us that are shot enough have to be rebolted, even Perazzis, but it's been my experience that it happens to a Browning entirely too quickly, regardless the amount of cleaning, and lubricant that is kept on it.
Having shot a 682 Gold E as a comp gun for years, then my hunting experience with my 687 SPII, I'm solidly in the Beretta camp. I'm sure there are those on here who will say they have put 50K rounds through their Brownings without an issue.......they might should be buying Lotto tickets, too. That said, other than the bolts wearing out too quickly, I've never seen that many other problems with Brownings. I wouldn't be scared of one for a hunting gun, I just don't like the looks of that high action.
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My remark was about the original Beretta in question no other Beretta...this is not about a Browning Beretta shoot out.. Along comes Gill with his fAiry dust shot to put me in my place  ..(still mad at me because he's dumb enough to fall for the density crAp) The 35 step holier than thou know it all using a bogus name on here...John Roberts ps...if you're going to use a bogus name try something like HomelessjOe. And last but not least my sweet little Teddy bOy Sniffle'beAn whoz inflatuated with me...sweet sweet Teddy.
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George Hoenig thinks the Citori is an amazing gun. George is somewhat knowledgeable on how a good gun should be made & designed. We should listen to George.
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The 35 step holier than thou know it all using a bogus name on here...John Roberts ps...if you're going to use a bogus name try something like HomelessjOe. You're 100% wrong about that. John Roberts is a personal friend of mine. He and his son have both stayed with me and hunted with me. He uses his real name ..............always has. SRH
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My remark was about the original Beretta in question no other Beretta...this is not about a Browning Beretta shoot out.. Along comes Gill with his fAiry dust shot to put me in my place ..(still mad at me because he's dumb enough to fall for the density crAp) The 35 step holier than thou know it all using a bogus name on here...John Roberts ps...if you're going to use a bogus name try something like HomelessjOe. And last but not least my sweet little Teddy bOy Sniffle'beAn whoz inflatuated with me...sweet sweet Teddy. Now, Frank, there you go again. No need to put you in your place; you do fine by your lonesome without outside help. Gil
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Well Stan then I guess he lied to me about his name not being Roberts when I questioned him about it...see my great great grandad Mose Roberts fought in the Cival war out of the state of Mississippi...he flat told me in a pm his name was not Roberts when he first pooped up on here.
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Well Stan then I guess he lied to me about his name not being Roberts when I questioned him about it...see my great great grandad Mose Roberts fought in the Cival war out of the state of Mississippi...he flat told me in a pm his name was not Roberts when he first pooped up on here.
If you insinuated a family relationship with just about anyone on this board, I expect that would be the typical reaction, myself included. Best, Ted
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Six degrees of separation and a quote of Billy Carter comes to mind.
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Six degrees of separation, six rounds in the chamber of a model 29.
Coincidence?
I think not.
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Well Stan then I guess he lied to me about his name not being Roberts when I questioned him about it...see my great great grandad Mose Roberts fought in the Cival war out of the state of Mississippi...he flat told me in a pm his name was not Roberts when he first pooped up on here.
I have no idea what this dude is talking about. I have zero recollection of what he's mentioned about my name, and cannot imagine why I would deny my last name. To my knowledge, I've never engaged in a pm exchange about my name, or any other subject, with him. Perhaps he can show us a copy? JR
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God bless America, long live the Republic.
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Don't let it bother you, John. Judging by his posts over the years, he doesn't know what he is talking about, either.
If you really want to see him confused, ask him what a screw grip is.
Best,
Ted
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Sorry about that I guess it was another John Roberts on here...
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TeddybOy...while your relatives were crAwling out of the deepest darkest parts of Africa mine were fighting in the War of Independence the War of 1812 the Cival War and both World Wars....
So you French men could enjoy your pastries.
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TeddybOy...while your relatives were crAwling out of the deepest darkest parts of Africa mine were fighting in the War of Independence the War of 1812 the Cival War and both World Wars....
So you French men could enjoy your pastries. I imagine the disappointment of those old heros to gaze down from heaven, and see you were the tail end of that effort.... Best, Ted
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TeddybOy...while your relatives were crAwling out of the deepest darkest parts of Africa mine were fighting in the War of Independence the War of 1812 the Cival War and both World Wars....
So you French men could enjoy your pastries. Every generation must prove itself. While deep history is great, and comforting, what really matters is what one does them self. Pulling out pedigrees has never told me much past parents or maybe grand parents and reeks of school yard silliness.
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Every generation must prove itself. While deep history is great, and comforting, what really matters is what one does them self.
Pulling out pedigrees has never told me much past parents or maybe grand parents and reeks of school yard silliness.
I was expecting to see a post concerning the Beretta BL-4, but instead found this thread diversion. It left me confused, frustrated, disappointed, and wondering whether you'd be smitten if I told you that I was an award winning wine-maker, and was a close personal friend of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King? Where are the Thread Police when you need them???
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Every generation must prove itself. While deep history is great, and comforting, what really matters is what one does them self.
Pulling out pedigrees has never told me much past parents or maybe grand parents and reeks of school yard silliness.
I was expecting to see a post concerning the Beretta BL-4, but instead found this thread diversion. It left me confused, frustrated, disappointed, and wondering whether you'd be smitten if I told you that I was an award winning wine-maker, and was a close personal friend of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King? Where are the Thread Police when you need them??? Thankfully you have arrived. BTW concur with the excellent observation that the thread has gone off topic.
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It was about an over-under, so the diversion wasn't as egregious as it might have been otherwise.
To his credit, Jagermeister did attempt to steer the discussion toward side by sides with his wishful thinking about a post 1964 Darne 16 ga. he will never buy.
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TeddybOy...while your relatives were crAwling out of the deepest darkest parts of Africa mine were fighting in the War of Independence the War of 1812 the Cival War and both World Wars....
So you French men could enjoy your pastries. I imagine the disappointment of those old heros to gaze down from heaven, and see you were the tail end of that effort.... Best, Ted Now that was funny. Well said.
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Keith;
I really can't imagine why you would complain of Thread Diversion as much as you do so. While freely admitting that what you say is true, we do all know who the Anti-Gun Trolls are & don't need reminded as much as we get. Once every month or so for the benefit of any Newbies would be sufficient in my opinion.
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Every generation must prove itself. While deep history is great, and comforting, what really matters is what one does them self.
Pulling out pedigrees has never told me much past parents or maybe grand parents and reeks of school yard silliness.
I was expecting to see a post concerning the Beretta BL-4, but instead found this thread diversion. It left me confused, frustrated, disappointed, and wondering whether you'd be smitten if I told you that I was an award winning wine-maker, and was a close personal friend of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King? Where are the Thread Police when you need them??? You are veering into trolling territory here Keith. OC didn't divert the thread, he commented reasonably on a subject already raised. And it had nothing whatsoever to do with being a liberal or anti gun or or anything remotely like that. He made a sensible observation that related to an idiotic post by jOe. So unless you've joined the fray to defend jOe (an endeavour similar to that impossible task Sisyphus was stuck with), what's the point? To protect our easily swayed minds from rational commentary?
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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It was about an over-under, so the diversion wasn't as egregious as it might have been otherwise.
To his credit, Jagermeister did attempt to steer the discussion toward side by sides with his wishful thinking about a post 1964 Darne 16 ga. he will never buy. Yes, let us go back to subject of very good gun...... from well regarded Liege maker. This would be surprisingly difficult to best for money spent. It even looks French. Oui, oui.... 
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Jm, nothing personal here. Look at the pictures and decide if they match the description. The engraving may reduce the value of a thousand dollar gun. French, or martha stewart spring collection?
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You are veering into trolling territory here Keith. OC didn't divert the thread, he commented reasonably on a subject already raised. And it had nothing whatsoever to do with being a liberal or anti gun or or anything remotely like that.
He made a sensible observation that related to an idiotic post by jOe. So unless you've joined the fray to defend jOe (an endeavour similar to that impossible task Sisyphus was stuck with), what's the point? To protect our easily swayed minds from rational commentary?
Hi James. I know that old colonel didn't start the thread diversion here. I only mentioned it after he participated in it because of his highly selective problem with "thread diversions". That was my one and only point, and I'm sure he understood just what I meant. My reference to the Thread Police was obviously a sarcastic jab aimed toward him. I don't mix into the differences between Ted and jOe. Politically, and from a 2nd Amendment rights point of view, they probably agree much more than they disagree. You just know that neither one of them stabbed us all in the back by voting for Obama or Hillary. And they aren't trying to bullshit anyone by saying that they are moderate Republicans or some such crap. Miller, I'm sorry about taking aim at our resident anti-gun trolls as often as I do. But if I only did it once a year, that would be too much for some of the FUDDS's who insist that we need Liberal Left supporters of anti-gunners on our side too. And I must admit that I enjoy using their own words to keep them from fooling anyone anymore. Jagermeister, I don't click on links from tire-kicking anti-gun trolls and internet fakes who frequent this site, but do not own even one lousy double gun. Not even an over-under.
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It's ok that you did not look at that knockabout. That is Belgian competitor of Merkel Modell 8 w/o Greener X-bolt adorned with cabbages and daisies. While not enough for top shape Model 21 16ga my gun budget is sufficient for real nice 16ga Darne. It will be nice Ole' Man gun.
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Yeah, sure Jagermeister... we all believe you after hearing all of your lies and bullshit about guns you've claimed to own, but never tool possession of. But a guy who has to put an 870 pump Remington on Layaway, and then can't complete the deal sure as hell isn't going to be buying any nice 16 ga. Darnes. 
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Yeah, sure Jagermeister... we all believe you after hearing all of your lies and bullshit about guns you've claimed to own, but never tool possession of. But a guy who has to put an 870 pump Remington on Layaway, and then can't complete the deal sure as hell isn't going to be buying any nice 16 ga. Darnes. The 1970s 8-shot Wingmaster with top-folding law enforcement stock is pretty kool gun. The 16ga Darne will also be very nice Ole' Man gun.
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