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Preach on Brother.....
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Daryl, remember you ask for this!!!  
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Lovely inletting, bizarre buttstock! Thanks for the pics, Doug!
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Thank you Doug. Roach belly or swan-neck straight grip? A Greener "Rational Stock" with a POW nubbin and Prussian cheekpiece? "The Gun and Its Development", 1907 The rational gun-stock was introduced by the author some time ago, and it embodies qualities long sought in pistol-grip guns, and the undeniable advantage of the straight stock. In this stock, as will be seen from the illustration, there is more than the usual bend at the bump or heel, and that the comb is not straight, but arched slightly; and as the cheek touches the stock about midway between the heel and the thumb, it is there, and there only, that the stock need be straight. With the usual English gun-stock, put up in the usual manner, it will be found that about one-quarter of the butt projects above, and has no bearing against the shoulder. This leaves the sharp narrow toe to steady the gun and to take the recoil. With the rational stock, the face of the shooter will be resting upon the stock when the bump or heel has reached a level of the shoulder, and the whole of the butt will find a bearing in the hollow of the shooter's shoulder. The bend of the gun will, with the rational stock, be about 2 1/2 in. at heel, 1 1/2 in. at comb, and 1 1/2 in. midway between heel and comb. 
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I believe it is more akin to a Swan's neck as seen on Bohemian sporting arms along w/ an Austrian style cheekpiece.
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It would be hard for the best CNC in the world to duplicate what we see there. Serious talent for sure.
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The English and the Europeans have always taken out just enough wood for the action to function and no more. They've been building the same gun or there abouts for over 200 years, I would venture to guess they know what they're doing.
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The amount of work INSIDE the head of those guns, and a lot of other German guns for that matter, is impressive.
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Show the metal finish inside the action. My experience says it will look like a fine watch. It's American counterpart almost looks like castings, crude!
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Absolutely incredible! Shame the head couldn't be saved and a butt grafted on. Thanks for sharing.
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Once, bell bottom pants were in vogue. This stock is so different, but I wonder how it would shoot. A Rational Stock with a Continental cheek piece. So well done that I love it.
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And the bad thing about it is that we really have no idea of who performed their magic w/ the wood. But we are working to rectify that....
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I restocked one last year ,it was everything Doug described ...I was very impressed at the inletting and scratched my head as to how to duplicate what the original guy had done ,the internals were also as described ...IMO very clean ,very precise and very robust .
as impressive a gun as I've ever seen
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While the inletting is very nicely done, it is really no better than the inletting or finish work youd see on a Sauer built in the same era. Seriously, people, especially here like to rave about Lindner/Dalys being a holy grail of a gun, and compared to 98.9% of U.S. built shotguns of the same era, they are. Ive seen enough Lindners, Sauers, and many other Teutonic guns broken down to the bits to know the quality in fit, finish both internally and externally were very similar between makers in regards to the guns grade. Ive NEVER seen a pre war Teutonic guns internals that werent polished up and made to look like a fine watch.
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The reason for the similarities is that Lindner was working on the upper rung offerings in a satellite shop @ Sauer while his apprentices were putting the finishing touches on the lower rung offerings @ his house/shop.
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There are two Charles Daly take off stocks on EBay which look to be exactly like this one in inletting. Sure there are minor differences but the level of skill needed to make them is plain for all to see.
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Polishing the internals greatly increases resistance to rusting. I don't know why anyone would think whoever wrote "The Gun and it's Development" might know something about guns and shooting. Mike
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I think I have seen that gun before. If the stock is original to the gun, I would never consider restocking it. I once sold a Lindner to Doug Mann that was possibly the worst example of stockmaking I have ever seen. Now that was a gun that begged to be restocked, and Doug did restock that one.
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It's my gun and I believe it to be a restock. It is not a good match to the 4end and it is not made from the quality of blank you usually see in a Diamond Quality gun.
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You should have that stock mounted Mark. It's like a guppy with a cheekpiece!~
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Maybe the shape of that stock works well but jeez is it ugly!
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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