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I did a plan view sketch and am of the opinion that side clips will do what they are alledged to do, assuming proper fitting. I agree that the unfired barrel face and the hook/pivot pin will create a tendancy for the fired barrel to move forward and to the outside. Looks to me like the clips will intercept this movement.

SJ, the clip opposite the barrel fired accepts the load. And vis-versa.

I would like to add an additional "speculative" point.
In watch making, what are known as "Complications" were seen as examples of higher quality watch making. The more the better example of ones hand work.
I think in terms of hand filed actions, the more surfaces intersecting with fine tolerances, the greater example of the makers abilities. A&D bl's being of few, and perhaps a Boss with sideclips (certainly a Purdey as well) being examples of multiple complications, showing superior abilities by getting all the surfaces to mate at the thickness of smoke.

Again, all speculation.

What do you gents think? Is watch making a suitable first cousin in terms of art and precision?

I agree when you talk about Premier guns...side clips have found their way on lots of low-grade guns.

I shot another 100 rounds yesterday...nair a cut Lowell.

ClapperZapper:
You are a seriously funny man. Or is it that you are a funny serious man. Either/or is fine by me !! LOL
Happy to post when I have something of merit to offer. Then as Russ said---I could be wrong.
Keep up the good work and your efforts to educate and challenge us.
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John

Mr. Mann,
Happy to see you kidding around!

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Milt

PeteM
Thanks for showing our Boswell 26" Pigeon Gun. David T and I along with Chris Batha have discussed this gun ad Nauseum. It is a rare configuration. As for the self mutilation aspect of Side Clips, most of it is incosequential unless one is prone to close his gun at waist level.

If one is fumble fingered and wishes to know the proper Hebrew chanted when closing a side clip gun at waist level, please write.
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Best,
John

Probably developed because of London's dislike/hatred of the rib extension and the inherent weakness of Purdey's double underbite that most of the English and European makers have adopted. The Germans include a Greener cross-bolt to beef up the Purdey double underbite, some others have added the sideclip. That's my theory anyway.
All the best

Gents, just my tcw but I should think it would take very little continued contact between the clips and the sides of the barrels to induce some gaping. Ergo, I don't see the real necessity for clips. After all, my 85 year old Nitro Special ain't got 'em and its still tighter than a bull's arse in fly time. Methinks much of what's been dreamed up as to the physics of simply dischaging a shotshell in a fixed breech gun is poppycock. And while I'm at it, I may as well add the poppycock of screw-in chokes, vent ribs on field guns, ported and-or backbored barrels, single triggers, beavertail forends, chrome-lined bores, et al. Now I've vented my spleen, I'm going back to the couch and the History Channel. Chops

Very well said Chops.My research continues and Treblig may be onto something, with mention of German influence.History does record the migration of German gunsmiths to Italy, Belgium, Scotland and then the walk south to London.So it is reasonable to suspect Germanic infuences on breech bolting mechanismns.The rectangular breech bolting system similar to the Greener bolt is known as the Kerstan bolt as featured on Beretta SO's. This was a German invention I believe.