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This is a Mr Serre Ft (Fabricant=maker) in St Etienne, e.g. a last name. 15 rue Chapelon in the early 1930s. WC- P.S> still swamped :-(
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Thanks, WC. That looks like the answer to what's on the barrels.
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WC, I liked SMP16ga's o/u and at the time did some research on the retailer Roturier, Ste. Foy la Grande. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=452969He sent me a PM saying he has not corresponded with Ste. Foy la Grand but has had it checked out and is shooting it. I'll post your find on his line if you don't mind....more history for his gun. The 1930's date for the gun maker pretty well aligns with the conclusion we came up with re the font used for Roturier on the gun and on his pre-WWII shop. So presumably Heurtier made the barrels; M. Serre put the gun together, Roturier sold it...as complete a history of a 1930's St. Etienne gun as one could come up with. (is there a name for Swampcattle? - Bovine de la Marais or something?)
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Here's something I can't find on the list....barrel wall thickness.
Anyone got any idea how to say that in French?
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épaisseur de la paroi du canon - I think this might work; I saw it somewhere recently-naturabuy.Fr maybe.: edit: Also found these: -- épaisseur du tube - (from passionlachasse.fr_ -- épaisseur des parois -- épaisseur des parois du canon - would of course be plural - i.e. thickness of the walls of the barrel. More technical: EPREUVE INDIVIDUELLE DES ARMES CARACTERISTIQUES DES MATERIAUX ET EPAISSEURS DES PAROIS DU CANON ET DE LA CHAMBRE DES ARMES A FEU PORTATIVES - RECOMMANDATION (COMPTES RENDUS XVII ET XXIII) http://www.cip-bobp.org/sites/default/files/CIP-Epreuve-FR.pdf
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In the next few days, I'm going to repost both the French-English and English-French lists on this board with the additions we've left out to consolidate them. If anyone has more items to add, post them here or send them to me. Once they are reposted...we'll have about a month to edit them before they're locked again. Gene
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Updated repost including terms left out of the first page post
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Abîmé(e) - spoiled/ruined/damaged Acier - steel Acier chocolat - excessively soft steel (Belgian trade vernacular) Acier damas (also "damas") - damascus steel Acier revenu - tempered steel Acier trempé - quenched steel Argent - silver ...vieil argent - old silver Ailes - side clips Âme du canon - bore Amorce - primer Amortisseur - pad (as in buttpad) Ancien - old Anson et Deeley; Anson- box lock Arabesque - Scroll (engraving) Arme de poing - hand gun Arme d’épaule - long gun arme à percution centrale - centerfire gun Armé - cocked Armurier - gun shop owner Armurerie - gun shop, not a maker, historically a body armor vendor Arquebusier - Gun maker (abbreviated as "Arqr") Artisan - artisan Avantage (à droite, à gauche) - cast-off, cast-on
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Baguette de nettoyage - ramrod, cleaning rod Banc d’épreuves - proof house Bande - rib ...Prolongement de la bande - extension of the rib (to the receiver) ...Bande ventilée - ventilated rib Bande a tenon d'accrochage s'encastrant dans la bascule - doll’s head Band de visee - ventilated rib Balle - bullet or slug Bascule - receiver/action Bascule ronde - round receiver Basculeur - tradesman putting the action together Bec - heel Bec de Crosse - heel of the butt plate Bille acier - steel shot Bois - wood ...Bois de noyer - walnut ......Noyer blond - blond walnut ...Bois d'érable - maple Boitier - housing Bouche - muzzle Bouchon de canon - bullet starter (muzzle loader) Bouchon de percuteur - Firing pin bushing Bouquets (gravure à) - rose engraving Bourre - wad Brasé - brazed ...brasé sur - brazed on Bretelle - sling ...Bretelle à enrouleur - retractable sling (like on a Ideal) ...Brettelle retractable - retractable (built in) sling Brevet - Patent Breveté(e) - patented ...Breveté(e) SGDG - model patent ("sans garantie du gouvernement")- Patented Without Guarentee of the Government". French distinction that designates a technical patent in the U.S. sense, as opposed to trademark and the old design patent number system that dealt only with name and shape. Brisure, à - Breakage Broche - pinfire Bronze - bronze; (copper and tin alloy) Bronzage - barrel blacking Busc - comb (for a stock)
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Cale - wedge (in a double rifle), or spacer between barrels Calibre - caliber Canon - barrel ...Canons frettés - sleeved barrel set (externally sleeved or jacketed, built-up barrels) ...Canons juxtaposés - SxS double barrel ...Canon lisse - smoothbore ...Canons miroir - mirror finish bores ......Canonnerie miroir - ditto ...Canons mixtes (Arme à) - cape gun ...Canon monobloc - Barrel set made in one block of steel ...Canon poli - honed barrel ...Canon rayé - rifled barrel ...Canon rayé dispersant -Rifled spreader barrel (usually Euro woodcock guns) ...Canons superposés - over/under Canonnier - barrel maker Capuche - metal piece surrounding the Deeley forearm push button Carabine - rifle, carbine Carabine de salon - indoor rifle Carabine de jardin - light rifle, rook rifle Cartouches à plombs - shot shell Cartouches à balle - slug shell Cartouche de rechargement - reloader Chambrage - chamber(ing) Chambre - chamber Chevrotines - buck shot (large shot 2 - 000) Chien - hammer … Crête de chien - hammer spur Chevrotines - buckshot. Chiens extérieurs - external hammers Choke - Choke … Cylindrique - cylinder choke (synonym: lisse) ... Demi choke - Modified choke ... Plein-full (as in choke Chêne - Oak Chromage - chromed bores Chromé(e) - chrome plated Clé - key Clé Beringer - type of underlever also called Pontet-Serpent Clé de bascule - top lever key Clé devant pontet - underlever (Lefraucheux). Clé d’ouverture - opening key Clé longueur - side lever Clé sur le dessus - top lever key Coffret - case (to put the gun in) Contre-platines - side-plates Convergence - regulation (shotgun or double rifle) Coquille - action ball (fences) ...Coquilles de la Bascul - fences Coquille de fusil de chasse - empty shotgun shell casing; Husk or Hull Corne - horn Cran de sécurité - Safety catch Crête de chien - hammer spur Crochet - barrel lump ...Crochets d’attache - barrel lump ...Crochets ajustés en queue d’aronde - dovetailed lump ...Crochet du canon - same ...Crochet encastré - dovetailed lump (embedded) ...Crochets rapportés - non integral lumps Crosse - stock ...Crosse anglaise - English stock ...Crosse à joue - stock with cheek piece ...Crosse de borgne - crossover stock ...Crosse demi-pistolet - round knob grip stock ...Crosse pistolet - pistol grip stock Crossier - stock maker Cuir - leather (for the sling) ...Cuir surpiqué - double layered sown leather Culot - Brass base of the shotgun shell Cuivre - copper Culasse - standing breech or bolt Culasse mobile - movable breech (i.e. on a Darne) Cylindrique - cylinder choke (synonym: lisse)
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Damasquiné - damascened dans son jus - original, never modified or restored Demi-armé - half cocked (for hammer guns) Demi-bloc - chopper lump Détente - trigger ...Double détente - double trigger ...Monodétente - single trigger ......Monodétente sélective - selective single trigger Devant - foreend Devant à pompe - Deeley pushbutton forearm D'occasion - used Doré - gold filled repoussé en ??? Double détente - double trigger double verrou de fermeture - double locking bolt
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Ébène - ebony Écouvillon - cleaning rod and implement ...Écouvillon en laiton - brass barrel (cleaning) brush écusson - shield (on a stock) éjecteurs automatiques - automatic ejectors éjecteur/extracteur a grand développement - ejector contact point on the hull is over 1/4 of the circumference. Normally high-end guns only. Emouler de Canons de Fusil- Barrel Grinder/Polisher (archaic) étui - shell, cartridge enfoncements - dents épaisseur - thickness épaisseur des parois du canon - Barrel walls thickness Épreuves - proof ...Banc d’épreuves - proof house ...double épreuve - double proof ...triple épreuve - triple proof ...épreuve ordinaire - version of normal proof ...épreuve ordinaire - modern day "triple proof" érable - maple (wood) état - condition ...état mécanique - mechanical condition ...état moyen - so so condition; medium condition ...état mauvais - bad condition …Pas en bon état - not in good condition ...état neuf - new condition étranglement - choke Etui - Gun case; gun slip Express (also double "express") - double rifle Extracteur - extractors
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Fabricant (also abbreviated as "Fabt") - maker Fausses-platines - side-plates Fermeture en “T" - Jones underlever also known as "T" Anglais Feu central, arme à - centerfire (gun) Feuillet(s) - sight leaf Feutrine - baize (gun case) Finition - finish …Finition argent - silver finish …Finition blue - blued finish …Finition canon de fusil - gunmetal finish …Finition chromée - chrome finish …Finition nickelée - nickel finish. …Finition noir - blued finish Forage - bore (barrel) Frères - Brothers Frette - monoblock; Fusil - firearm (normally a shotgun but also a military rifle) ...Fusil à broche - pinfire gun ...Fusil à canon scié - sawed off shotgun ...Fusil à chargement par la bouche - muzzle loader ...Fusil à Chien - hammer gun ...Fusil de chasse - shotgun ...Fusil juxtaposé - double gun ... Fusil juxtaposé Artisanal Français - Artisanal French double gun (quite often maker not known) ...Fusils lever-action - lever action gun ......Fusil à levier de sous-garde - ditto ......Fusil levier sous garde - ditto ...Fusil à percussion - muzzle loading, percussion rifle ...Fusil à piston - percussion gun ...Fusil à pompe - pump gun (also "branlette" in French hunting vernacular) ...Fusil à silex - flintlock
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Gachette - sear; trigger Gachette interruptrice - safety sear gâchette facile - trigger happy Garnisseur - tradesman assembling barrels, ribs and lumps Graveur - engraver Gravure(s) - engraving(s) Grenadière - sling swivel Grenailles - smaller shot (in a shotgun shell) (4-9) Goupille - round pin Goupille de charnière - hinge pin Guidon - front sight ... protège-guidon - sight hood Guilloché(e) - ornamented with geometric design ...Vis guillochées - ornamented screws
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Hausse - back sight (originally adjustable type)
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Illisible - illegible
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Jaspage - case coloring Jaspé(e) - case colored Jaugé - guage Jaugé à - gauged, measured at Jaugé de chambre - chamber measuring gage Jeu - play (in the sense of movement) ...Jeu dans la bascule - (play in the receiver) ...sans jeu - without play Joue - cheekpiece ...Joue allemande - German style cheeckpiece Juxtaposé - side by side
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Laine d’acier - steel wool Laiton - Brass: alloy - 70 parts copper; 30 parts zinc Lefaucheux à clé - type of underlever Levier - Lever levier d'armement - cocking lever Levier de sécurité (ou sécurité) - safety lever Levier de sous garde - cocking underlever (Winchester type) Levier sous la longuesse - underlever Levier à volute - type of underlever Longuesse - forestock Longuesse à poussoir - Anson forend (forestock with pushrod release) Longuesse-sous-main amovible - underlever loupe d’accrochage - doll’s head Lunette - scope
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Maniable - easy to the hand/handy Moitié armé - half cocked (for hammer guns) Mono-canon - single barrel Monodétente - single trigger manouvrable - handy Monteur à bois - stocker Moulé(e) - molded
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Nickelé(e) - nickel plated Noix - Hammer axis
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Oeilleton - peep sight Or - gold ...Or fin - fine gold doré - gold plated or gold applique Oreille - Sideclip Organes de visée - sights Orné(e) - ornamented Ouverture par clé devant pontet - underlever Ouverture sous pontet - underlever Oxydation - oxydation
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Paire - pair of guns Pente - drop ...Pente au busc - drop at comb ...Pente au talon - drop at heel Percussion centrale - center percussion, center fire (hammer gun) Percuteur - Firing pin Pièce d'armurerie - piece of firearms manufacture ??? Pierrage - honing Pique - pitted ...Piqûres - pitting ...Petites piqûres - light pitting Planchette - back sight folding leaf Plaque de couche - butt plate Plaqué(e) - plated Platine - side lock ...Platine Holland - front lock as made by H&H or others ...Platine arrière - back lock ...Platine avant - front lock ...Platine démontable - hand removable sidelock ...Platine encastrée - embedded locks ...Platine rebondissante - rebounding lock Plein--full (as in choke) Plomb - lead (shot) poids de la détente. - trigger pull Poignee - pistol grip Poinçon - stamp ...Poinçons réglementaires - legal stamps ...Poinçons d'épreuve - proof marks Poire à poudre - powder horn; powder flask Poli(e) - polished polisseur - barrel grinder polissage en long - longitudinal honing Poncée huile (Crosse) - sanded with oil finish (stock) Pontet - trigger guard Pontet-Serpent - type of underlever also called Clé Beringer Pontet à volute - trigger guard with volute in front Portée - range (as in shooting distance) Poudre - powder (gunpowder) ...Poudre blanche--smokeless powder ...Poudre pyroxylée - smokeless powder (French) ...Poudre sans fumée - smokeless powder ...Poudre Vive - smokeless Powder ( Belgian) Poussoir - push rod (forestock) propre - clean, nice
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Quadrillage - Checkering Quadrilleur - Checkerer Queue d’aronde - dovetail (old French for"swallow tail" which is more accurate than dove tail, actually)
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Rallonge de crosse - stock extension Rayé à chargement par la bouche - muzzle loader rifle Rayures - scratches or rifling Relevé - cocked Relime - steel parts shaping (by chisel or file) Relimeur - tradesman shaping the action and other parts Ressort - spring Ressort à lames - Coil spring ressort spirale - spiral spring Restauration - restoration Réticule - Reticle (scope) Rinceaux - leaves and branches (engraving) Rouille - rust ...Rouille légère - light rust
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Sabot - butt pad Sabot - sabot projectile Scène de chasse - hunting scene (engraving) Sécurité - safety Sécurité dès qu'elle est arméee - safety automatically on when cocked Serré - tight SGDG - see Brevete SGDG Similor - alloy; 100 parts Red copper; 12 parts zinc Soudure - solder …Soudure d’argent/à l'argent - Silver solder …Soudure à l’étain - Tin solder (lead and tin mixed) …Soudure de cuivre - Copper brazing (red coper, old silver, antimony, zinc, etc.) Stéphanois - from Saint-Etienne region Successeur (also abbreviated to "succr") - Successor to souplesse de la gâchette - trigger pull Sûreté - safety
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"T" Anglais - Jones underlever also known as “Fermeture en T" Talon - heel Talon de crosse - upper point of the butt plate Tirant de Crosse - Stock attachment bolt Tire-cartouche - extracteur Tirette - action rod Tombac - alloy; 16 parts copper; 1 part zinc; 1 part tin Tonnerre - place where the ignition happen triple verrou Greener - Triple lock of a double Purdey bite and a Greener 3rd Triple Verrou Purdey” - Triplel lock in case of a Purdey nose 3rd bite. Triple verrou - triple lock Triplette - 3-gun set Tromblon - blunderbuss (or bad shotgun) Tube - barrel tube Type anglais - English style
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Valise - Case Verrou - lock, also bolt Verrou de fermeture - closing bolt Verrou vertical - rising bite Verrouillage - locking system Vernis - varnish Vis - Screw
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Boudrole: A term for the cylinder of steel in a Greener Crossbolt?
Boudrole - Petit cylindre traversé d une tige quadrangulaire pour fermeture de fusils à triple verrous système Greiner. Arme de luxe.
https://books.google.com/books?id=cqHYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq=Triple+Verrou++Fermeture+Syst%C3%A8me+Fermeture+Li%C3%A8geoise&source=bl&ots=FQFg6GnEs9&sig=ACfU3U1G0Zq_h67kgidRnpupwjH305D_lw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwim4eXU8v7oAhXjdN8KHZ93ACYQ6AEwCnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=Triple%20Verrou%20%20Fermeture%20Syst%C3%A8me%20Fermeture%20Li%C3%A8geoise&f=false
Cheers,
Raimey rse
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