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I often shoot a cylinder bored hammer Scott 12 gauge at SC. Normally just use 7/8 oz of #8 at around 1175 fps. Not a serious shooter and spend most of my time having fun. Scores usually end up around 70 or 75. I know a serious shooter could take the same gun and load up to competitive levels. Choke is way overrated as is long barrels and weight. Also shoot a very early Daly hammer with cylinder bores on wild quail. One ounce load of #7. Probably have highest percentage kills with this relic as any upland gun I own (a lot).



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Originally Posted By: Boats
Many if not most clays courses are best shot with open chokes.


Originally Posted By: Joe Wood
Choke is way overrated as is long barrels and weight.


I have the greatest respect for both of you gentlemen, but these statements should both be qualified by "in my opinion", IMO. How we view things are often heavily weighted by our own experiences and surroundings.

Maybe the courses you have shot are mostly set up for casual shooters who are satisfied with a 60-70% hit ratio. There are many, many courses which are not like that, tho', and need some choke to be shot well.

Also, choke is way overrated ..... and long barrels, too? Again, in one's personal opinion, (IMPO).

Open chokes will smoke close birds, but will chip medium to longer ones. A chip is considered a dead bird, but does not instill confidence in some of us. Every time I go to the range I am trying to improve. every time I take the field, whether it be doves, ducks, quail or the occasional woodcock, I am trying to kill every bird I shoot at. In the dark recesses of my mind I know I will never do that. But, it doesn't deter me from trying. And, one thing I know for certain ........... I would never have improved my shooting the way I have over the last 10-12 years by shooting the most open chokes I could get by with. Smoking a clay instills confidence and tells me I'm pretty well on the bird, not just "fringeing" it. Similarly, "dishragging" a dove or quail does the same thing. When greenheads hit the water and wave those red legs at the sky, they aren't fringed. They were all hit with density. Quail hunting is not duck hunting or dove shooting, and skeet is not trap. Heck, early season doves are not anything like late season doves, for that matter.

I dunno guys. I respect your experience, but I'd like to see it qualified like that, and not stated as absolutes. Guess I'm just too picky.......... IMO. smirk

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Stan, you're absolutely right. I guess I assumed it would be understood these are merely my personal opinions. And yes, I am a casual shooter without any desire to shoot competitively. But I do shoot a lot of birds....

Thanks for the correction--seriously.


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No problem, Joe. I am prone to do the exact same thing. PLEASE, remind me when I do.

I value your opinions a great deal. SRH


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This has been good reading. More than ever, you gents have got me convinced to take whatever shotgun Ive got to whatever clay target course of fire happens to be operating, with a load I know, and just try it.

(Theyre probably gonna reach for their flasks when I show up with my riotized USGI Model 1897 Trench and ask to shoot a round of Olympic bunker trap.)

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Maybe I should have said install the chokes into the threaded portion of the barrels, but I really thought everyone here understood that already. I'll try to be more careful in the future. I also believe most choke manufactures also make flush mounted chokes which in my opinion would look much better.

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Paul,

I think most people who post here understood your post & how choke tubes (flush or extended) are installed & I agree with you that extended tubes look absurd on a SxS or basically anything other than a dedicated competition gun for that matter.

If the thought was to use extended tubes to move the balance point of the gun forward to make it more suitable for sporting clays I can think of several easier & more appropriate ways to accomplish that but I'm not really positive what benefit the OP was expecting.

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Sorry I misunderstood you, Paul. I think we had a misunderstanding on what "install" means. I assumed you meant the initial process whereby a fixed choke gun is fitted for screw-in choke tubes. I've never heard the process of screwing a choke tube into a barrel referred to as an installation. Probably just a regional thing.

All my best, SRH


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