doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com my christmas present to myself just came in, 470NE

Just got a Sabatti Big Bore Express in 470 NE in an O/U format.

Can't wait to get it to the range.

My shoulder is slightly apprehensive however.

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Serious piece of kit! Who is it made by? Lagopus.....

Sabatti, an Italian company.

They had a checkered past a while back with the way they regulated their barrels rather crudely by making muzzle grinds, but it looks lil they learned from those transgressions.

Uh, brace yourself! I know my shoulder couldn't take it.
Karl

Yeah, I'm thinking of wearing a shotgun pad, and wondering if I should put a hand towel folded over on top of that. That's simply bigger than anything I've handled before. I took one of my .458 Lott and laid it by this 470 NE, and the Lott would probably fit completely inside it with room to spare.. So, like I said.. I'm apprehensive about my first shot. When a couple of my shooting buddies found out I was getting it they said that if I wanted to save money, that one of them could hold me whip the other repeatedly punched me in the shoulder.

Congrats. As long as the gun fits you within reason and it's not really light, you should be fine. Use good technique and square up behind the gun (not shoulders angled). Use the shotgun pad at first but you won't need the towel. Don't shoot it off the bench. I find the 470 to be a big push but not a sharp recoil in a properly built gun. What's it weigh?

It's a heavy gun for sure. And my cheek finds the cheek rest on the but stock as a good fit.

No bench? Ok, glad you mentioned that, as I'd probably have tried it that way!

it weighs 10#

You will be fine with a 10# 470 but seriously, don't bench it. It wouldn't hurt you but you wouldn't like it. Use shooting sticks or a post if needed to check sights.

I do have a shooting stick, thanks for the tip.

And yes, I just double checked the paperwork, the gun is listed at 10#.

Really appreciate the comments. I'm fairly new to double rifles, though not new to shooting in general, etc.

Do you have the ballistic difference of the .470NE vs the .458 Lott. May not be that much difference in spite of the sizes. The .458Lott is likely a lot higher pressure round then the .470NE.
I have a copy of John Taylor's book but its in a book case behind the Christmas tree right now so unavailable until after Christmas. He didn't have access to the lott round of course but as I recall the .470NE was loaded to approximate the ballistics of the various various .450 NEs due to laws prohibiting there use in certain countries because the .45s were considered military calibers.

Interesting, thanks. I will have to see if I can scare up that info.

You will get used to the recoil quickly enough, but the first one you touch off might be memorable - don't drop it! Shooting more than 20 full power loads gets old but you can use reduced loads all day long. As Bryan said, don't even think about shooting from a bench - you need to be able to rock back. And you will never again notice the recoil from a shotgun or smaller rifle!

I use Reloader 15 with a foam filler rod and 500 grains bullets. Accurate and same velocities as H 4831. Felt recoil is much less than the 106 grains of H 4831. Somewhere around 86 or 87 grains of Reloader 15 is about right. Do a search on the Accurate Reloading.com forum and a lot of information will turn up. Mine is a Chapuis SXS double and it has plenty of power and a fun gun to play with. Perfect choice for the rabbits in the garden patch!

Off hand, I think there is about 20k less pressure with the 470 NE than the 458 Lott. That makes a big difference.

Nice info, thanks guys.
I do reload, and cast, and have made up bunnyfart 45-70 loads using 325grcast over trailboss.

Once I get empty brass and a mold, I'd like to do similar to get son gun time.

Anyone have a recommendation on a lee mold for 470ne? Thanks

Hmm. I dont think lee has one, open to suggestions. Course.. I'd probably need gas checks too. Hmm...

Might be easier to start with some pre manufactured .475.

Looking for recommendation for projectiles.

Thanks again

You can also, Christopher, use 350 to 365 grain bullets with the same charge of powder as your 500 grain load. They should regulate (called the 3/4 effect), but may print a bit higher on the target. Once you begin to reload, IMR 4831 should give you enough loading density so you do not need a filler.

Yes, try the first two shots off sticks and then move to the bench. I used a Paste recoil shield when working up a load for my 500/450 which is about the same recoil as your .470 but that old rifle was a half pound heavier.

Practice drill included two rifles: 500/450 and a double in 350 Rigby No. 2 (you can use a bolt in 30-06 or what have you). Fired big bore standing, offhand at 50 yards, just four shots. Put the big bore down and fired ten, standing offhand at 100 yards with the smaller bore. Then back to the big bore for another four. Started with just 12 big bore, ending with smaller bore. Fools yourself and dodges creating a flinch. Also good practice shooting off hand, and very good for learning how to reload the big bore quickly (then break it open as you use the smaller bore).

Best of the Season,
Tim