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Hummmmmmmmmmmm:
Seems that I recollect that old Archimedes was a man of principal.
Being that is so, the application of his efforts seem to have been applied in a rather selective manner. We see these clips on guns of many marques and grades. I grant that they are well built ones. If this addressed the twisting question, it begs to be asked---why weren't they on all guns above JABC quality?
If it were a metallurgy issue, why do we see them on rather modern guns today.
I can accept that the answer to my first question has been put forth by our learned and astute member,ClapperZapper. Still think that the answer to my second question is that they are attractive and connote, if not denote, quality.
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PeteM - No doubt it was just an oversight to leave off a Woodward light game gun with side clips  . So, to set that right: about 1892, 12 2 1/2", 29 1/8" barrels, 14 1/4" LOP, 6# 1 1/2 oz, 4 3/4" balance to front trigger, 1.20 unmounted swing effort, 5.94 mounted swing effort, and 9.56 half weight radius.  Side clips "C" note high quality guns, for sure. Lot of them "C" notes!!
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'...unmounted swing effort,....half weight radius.'Huh? 
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... it begs to be asked---why weren't they on all guns above JABC quality? You might ask the same about just any feature from an AD forearm to a crossbolt or double triggers etc. There does not seem to be just one way to skin a cat. FWIW, I notice that I find side-to-side play on slightly loose guns more often than I find up-down play. I only have one side clip gun and it's not loose at all, but that's not enough data to play with. Anyway, I'd be interested to know if side-to-side play is more common than up-down and if side clips might be correlated (negatively) with that. Brent
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I personally don't think side-clips do squat for action strength. It's not obvious how they might prevent side-to-side play in a gun which is otherwise on face and tight. By deffinition, a loose gun would bring the outter edge of the barrels away from the previously nicely fitted side-clip thereby negating any value of it as an anti-pivot feature. I did a Google search, and found one version of a 'side-clip' with obvious merit and value. Enjoy. http://cgi.ebay.com/Slim-Cut-Thong-w-Side-Clips_W0QQitemZ260140685390QQcmdZViewItem
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So are you saying side clip not only can influence the expression of a shotgun?
I don't see any reason her sideclips would cause any harm either and those that suffered don’t have a clue doing what they do.
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Jm - "mounted swing effort" is a measure of the muscle effort needed to to change the direction the gun is pointing. It is to mounted (from the shoulder) swing as weight is to lifting the gun (say from waist height to shoulder height). This gun requires little effort compared to heavy target or fowling guns which may require two to three times the effort. They are also two to three times as resistant to changing speed or direction.
Half Weight Radius is a measure of the gun's compactness. Typical guns are in the 10 to 11 inch range where this gun is down near 9 1/2" (compact). Guns above eleven typically have disproportinately heavy and long barrels and stocks while guns below ten tend to lighter and shorter barrels and stocks with proportinately heavier actions. This number is not as easy to understand, but once you get a feel for it, it gives you a useful snapshot of the gun's handling.
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Perhaps the convergence of the time that responsible gun dealers will advertise Rocketman's numbers and the marketing of a cheap, suitable replacement for lead shot will allow for good gun purchases, and shooting of same.
We, who want to know, can only hope.
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You guys crack me up. I was a little cynical when I made my post, but really, thats the truth about it. Sideclips were devised to deter pin wear.
I have no interest in doing the math, but I suspect a larger diameter pin, or a tapered bite do the same thing with less cosmetic fear during filing.
No question to me, they connote strength against twist.
Oh, and John, It's great to hear your voice again.
Watch the thumbs Laddies!
Out there doing it best I can.
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