Michael, my point is the same as yours: discussing these issues here is pointless.

We may agree that citing "twisted views" of the other is often partisan comment that shuts down civil discourse, tragic always and loss for democracy.

And, as you say, human nature what it is, it's never going away

As good a time as any to add that members have been surpassingly careful, taking everything into account, in protecting the integrity of this great board.