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Hi craigd

I figured that Obummers ten trillion would come up. I googled it. Depending on how you measure it its either 1 or 10 trillion. Doesnt matter. No one is going to pay. This is how it works....

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Craig, the figure seems to be 7.9 trillion. Your stretching doesn't matter. I haven't lain awake nights fretting about it. It's Republicans who rage against the debt until they're in a position to trade it for a chance to reward their donors. Kansas has been a disaster, but who cares, right?


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Originally Posted By: lonesome roads


The Blues cooled the Kwee-beckers jets and the Wings cooled the Jets jets last night. Ha ha. (Go Wings!)


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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Craig, the figure seems to be 7.9 trillion. Your stretching doesn't matter. I haven't lain awake nights fretting about it. It's Republicans who rage against the debt until they're in a position to trade it for a chance to reward their donors. Kansas has been a disaster, but who cares, right?

If you'd want to look it up, the national debt increase from Jan. 20, '09 to the same day '17 by 9.3 trillion. Dubya, after bo won the elections, added just under .9 trillion of debt to his books, in consultation with bo's transition team, so bo could hit the ground running. Your figure seems to be wrong, but your stretching doesn't matter.

Do you have a thought or two about what the poor and middle class got for the 7.9 trillion? Now that it's part of history, can you explain what factual basis you have for belly aching about the poor and middle class, or do you just feel like politicizing it? Do you ever get the feeling that your party wants you to have an emotional position, but never, and I literally mean never, has a solution for your victimhood? You are a big proponent of redistribution, how many poor would you have been able to help out for 7.9 trillion?

You do some of the most interesting rifle projects and seem to run into great finds. How in good conscience can one pursue such frivolous pleasures if the country is truly filled with nothing but victims and a few rich-n-powerful? Maybe, the politics of feelings can be switched on and off at will?

Honestly, I can't say much about Kansas, but what in the world do you think is turning western Montana into a conquest of colonial california? Asked again, the loser, factless bomb thrower that started this topic is taking direct aim at your college inclined grandkids, who happened to have shared a memory or two with you in the hunting field. How do you counsel them to respond, deny the outdoors? Act anti hunting and shooting? Well, I sure hope you don't tell them to stand up for themselves, because as you know, leftism will eat up their own to advance their definition of progress.

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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Craig, the figure seems to be 7.9 trillion. Your stretching doesn't matter. I haven't lain awake nights fretting about it. It's Republicans who rage against the debt until they're in a position to trade it for a chance to reward their donors. Kansas has been a disaster, but who cares, right?


This is a shining example of the dishonesty and hypocrisy practiced by those of the Liberal Left. Never do you hear the likes of rocky mtn bill, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, et al whining about the fact that Liberal Left anti-gun Democrat Barack Hussein Obama single-handedly nearly doubled the Nation's debt and exploded Budget Deficits in only 8 years.

Yet all of a sudden, they are crying about the "Armageddon" that will result if Donald Trump's tax cuts become law, because according to them, the reduction in tax revenues will cause an additional $1.5 trillion to be added to the National Debt. They have sudden;y become fiscal hawks, and don't even want to consider that more jobs and a stronger manufacturing sector will result in more tax revenues overall.

I also find it beyond hilarious to see rocky mtn bill once again denigrating one of craigd's posts as being "an incomprehensible diatribe." It was bad enough that Bill has problems comprehending craig's subtle sarcasm. But I suppose that Bill would like us to forget that a great many of his past posts were laced with misspelled words and egregious grammatical errors that made them nearly incomprehensible. It appears that he finally got one of the grandkids to show him how to use a spell-checker. Bill, the retired English teacher must think we've all forgotten how many times I and others corrected him, and took him to task for being so incompetent at his own profession, and suggesting that he didn't deserve his taxpayer-funded teacher's pension. It was so bad, that I was pretty sure that Bill must have taught nca225 and dla (sic) to write and spell.

Please Dave... don't bring back Misfires. This forum gains nothing from debates with hypocrites and mentally ill Liberal liars who frequently deny their own words and deeds. But a thread like this once in a while is useful to demonstrate that there are anti-2nd Amendment back-stabbers and Trojan Horses within the ranks of gun owners. If you support abortion and the work of abortion doctors, you cannot say you are pro-life. And if you support anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats, you cannot possibly honestly claim to be pro-gun. Period!


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I don't like anyone telling me that the government should control what I think or do. Same goes for my land within reason. You can't allow a toxic waste dump next to some neighbor without his knowledge. I also don't like anyone telling me I have you much land, too much money, too much education, or too much freedom. I guess that rules me out as a future Democrat. I'm fin with that. I just wish all those Democrats who promised that if Trump won they would leave the country would keep their word. Bye. Dress warmly, Canada gets cold in the six a Winter months.

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What the dumb bastards didnt think aboot is that Canada doesnt want them. Bunch of fat, stupid Americans swarming North. Sunny Boy would shyte and start building a wall.


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Originally Posted By: KY Jon
I don't like anyone telling me that the government should control what I think or do. Same goes for my land within reason. You can't allow a toxic waste dump next to some neighbor without his knowledge. I also don't like anyone telling me I have you much land, too much money, too much education, or too much freedom. I guess that rules me out as a future Democrat. I'm fin with that. I just wish all those Democrats who promised that if Trump won they would leave the country would keep their word. Bye. Dress warmly, Canada gets cold in the six a Winter months.


Really Jon, what makes you think we want them up here? We have more than enough idiots without you sending us yours. Send'em to Mexico. It's a better fit.


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Well stated KY Jon!! a lot of folks out there think if we make a lot of money,( I am not stating I do) that it's there God given right we should give them a hand out or everything be given to them! I get concerned and outright upset that all who think that way should be utilized as shark bait. But wait! Hard work, long hours might actually kill them if they apply themselves.. one can only dream..
Woo had to stop. Not worth going down this road to perdition!

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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Craig, if you need to ask what's wrong with Trump's tax reform, you wouldn't accept the answer. It's like Brownback's tax reform in Kansas. Just watch how it plays out. PS The projected increase in the debt is 1 trillion dollars, but who's worried about that?


Bill you are free with your criticism and observations on Kansas. While I am not Brownback fan, the state is not in the meltdown you seem to imply.

Tax reductions do not automatically equal prosperity anymore than rain follows the plow. They can undoubtedly yield potential benefit in fueling growth, economies are unfortunately more complex than simple liberal or conservative economics would sell in sound bites to voters

Yes the tax reductions in Kansas failed to yield the promised results, but the more likely culprit is a flat to declining ag economy than the cuts themselves. As for increasing the states debt, no such thing has happened as the state budget unlike the the Federal budget is required a balancing that the Obama administration never tried to accomplish except by tax increases and strangling regulation.

You are quick to hurl stones Southeast, but you fail in your false analogies and stretched reasoning.

PS if the republican tax cuts lead to an one trillion increase as you state ( a figure over many years) how does that compare to the last administrations increases to the debt? Do you condemn them seven, eight, or more times over for their performance?

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