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I am familiar with the #7 16ga. of which you speak. A man I know had it for a while and it was as good as advertised. A real deal of well made gun. I thought about buying it when it was listed at $1400.
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I've been tempted too! The old MF engravers knew their trade and just from the pics the work looks very fine. In terms of fit, finish, internals, and handling, they may be one of the best values out there relative to American and Birmingham boxlocks of comparable vintage.
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With production of 950,000 units, one of the most successful models of SxS ever made. And I'd take a Robust over any American model that surpassed the 1,000,000 gun production level.
(311, I'm talking to you!)
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Just in case anyone's curious, scroll down through the 16s: http://www.vintagedoubles.com/catalog/?sort=4I have no connection whatever with this vendor.....
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I believe this exact model was for sale on Gunsinternational this summer for around $800. It was a 12...
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The Supra (rifled) barrel as marketed by the manu is also very useful for shooting European rabbits (oryctolagus cuniculus) while hunting them with a ferret. That was far more common than woodcock hunting.
WC- Looking at the Verney-Carron catalog from 1999, they list two models with "tube inferieur raye dispersant": Grand Becassier, Plume Becassier. They do add in their text, after some references to woodcock hunting, that the gun is also useful "for short distance shooting of small game". Might be they called them woodcock guns because that sounds more prestigious than rabbit gun.
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I actually purchased the gun I was asking about in my original post. Once I have it in hand, I'll post pictures.
Not that I would ever have a need, but has anyone shot slugs through one of these Supra rifled bores? Did the slower twist hinder accuracy? Did it have any additional accuracy effect over smoothbore?
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Every one of them I have seen had the "Non Pour Balle" warning on the flats. It isn't a slug gun, the barrels are light enough you could do damage to them using slugs in them.
Every Frenchman I ever met was crazy about woodcock hunting, and much more crazy about woodcock eating. I never met one who felt that way about rabbits or hares.
I suppose things change, but, the gunmakers I talked with about their hunting had Spaniels and English Cockers. Nobody mentioned ferrets. The Bruchet's apprentice, Jerome, had a cocker.
Hervé Bruchet was not a hunter or shooter. I don't believe Richard Levi was, either. Both guys told me that on Friday, when they walked out of their respective shops, they were all done thinking about guns, shooting or hunting until they came back on Monday morning.
Hand building fine guns was their job. Both men were passionate about other things.
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The person or people behind this outfit seem to know classic guns and have good sense of humor. Prices also seem fair. Looks like good place to go shopping for vintage European guns.
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Every one of them I have seen had the "Non Pour Balle" warning on the flats. It isn't a slug gun, the barrels are light enough you could do damage to them using slugs in them.
Every Frenchman I ever met was crazy about woodcock hunting, and much more crazy about woodcock eating. I never met one who felt that way about rabbits or hares.
I suppose things change, but, the gunmakers I talked with about their hunting had Spaniels and English Cockers. Nobody mentioned ferrets. The Bruchet's apprentice, Jerome, had a cocker.
Hervé Bruchet was not a hunter or shooter. I don't believe Richard Levi was, either. Both guys told me that on Friday, when they walked out of their respective shops, they were all done thinking about guns, shooting or hunting until they came back on Monday morning.
Hand building fine guns was their job. Both men were passionate about other things.
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Ted I don't know where they hunt woodcock in France. The only time I ever was involved in an attempt to walk up European woodcock (as opposed to seeing the odd doodle along with pheasants and partridge in a drive) was in Scotland. The only way to traverse the cover we walked was by following sheep paths. Brush about waist high or a bit higher. Don't think pointing dogs would have been very useful. A nice little flusher would have been just the thing. All we had were a couple Scots whacking the brush with sticks. We were too early for woodcock.
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