doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com I need a 20 bore, new, cheap, for Dau-in-law

I bought a 110 year old Saint Etienne 16 bore for her -beautiful. But on second thought had qualms about letting her shoot it, especially if she might shoot steel shot. I reason she needs a modern entry level sxs that looks good and is flexible as to cartridges and chokes.

I'm really attracted to the CZ Huglu 20 bore Ringnecks with 28" barrels - case colored, sharp tailed with semi-beavertail forestocks. They are beautiful. I've had friends who have brought them back from Turkey over the last few years. CZ markets them and I think no longer brings in the 20 SxS's. But for $600-900 for virtually new or new stock guns with 5 chokes and a case, could I go wrong?





(ok ok...actually I love that 16 bore)

Does she like SXSs? Does she like shotguns?

As far as the CZ Ringnecks go, I bought one way back in 2006 when you couldn't find them anywhere. I was curious what they were like so I ordered one off the net. I have shot it in the field and at clays but only about 500 rounds, because all the opinions got me worried it would start doubling or the firing pins would break. Other than my worrying it worked just fine. The trigger pulls are even very good! I haven't used it for a while though.

She shot her first clays with a SxS,1902 William Evans 20, and imprinted on that gun. For her, the slim lines of a SxS are as much of an artistic turn-on as the shooting itself. She is an excellent cook (and a medical doctor) who wants to cook what she shoots..but has to have something to accompany son, who uses an omg 870) - not an often occurrence but something that has to be planned for.

The new CZ's have changed the springs to coil, safety, etc. I'd feel confident giving it to her..unless there are are real horror stories. Seems like a good buy.

Good luck trying to slip a Ringneck by someone who imprinted on a William Evans. At best you�re on the hook for an Ahh Eee Ahh Number 2.


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Not sure what �imprinted� means. I flunked physics.

Er, she is a doctor, and we are speaking of Muslim guns?

Best,
Ted


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Imprinted is what happens to Ben Franklin's face, on $100 dollar bills.

She might like the Cabela's/Dickinson Estate 20 gauge.

I agree there. No way is that going to happen. You best rethink your strategy. Bismuth or Tungsten Matrix shot, maybe?

Or a phone call to these people,

https://www.williamevans.com/gun-room

Make that a plus 3.

I wouldn't go as far as lonesome's notion of imprinting. Women seem more practical than men to me. I can't imagine a woman knowing the provenance who wouldn't want one of the best buys in used 20s, a SKB Model 500.

Come on dad, stick to the original plan and give her the 16. Maybe, you could think of the $750 you save on the Huglu as a good start on the next Saint Etienne you get to be on the look out for. Besides, the game dinners and memory pictures will be way more meaningful. She sounds like a million bucks, I'm sure she'd let you borrow it now and then.

That's what I was thinking too, Gene. Give her the St Etienne gun. Yes, steel is a bit of a problem as are magnum loads but we all know how to deal with it and find it worthwhile. Let her into the club!

Huglu will work well,Gun snobs aside...

On a site populated primarily by people who enthusiastically collect and shoot older SxS of all values, we are "gun snobs" for advocating an older SxS?

LD, That statement is idiotic.

The last 2 weeks I've hunted a couple days alongside a guy carrying a 20 ga Ringneck. He's been getting one-shot kills on pheasants over his setter.

You could go far worse than the Ringneck.

I will also put in a pitch for the Dickinson, but in 28. Cabelas has the 28 ga with 30 inch barrels and it is a beautifully smooth-swinging gun. One of the guys who works in the back room there and is an excellent shot and instructor bought one for himself. He told me it was probably the best-handling gun in the store. Having pawed over most of their merchandise, I have to agree.

Nobody mentioned the lads 870.

Everyone knows a gentleman carries an Ithaca 37.


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Imprinted is what happens when you get smart with the wrong fellow in the neighborhood I grew up in... as in... how �bout I imprint my knuckles on your fookin� face!

King. you're talking about a William Evans. Now if she first used a Nitro Special or a Stevens 311 or something I can see your point, but it wasn't.

You guys have shamed me so much that I'm going to go ahead and give her the Gertest Berthon 16 gauge with the 1906 Didier Drevet barrels (mentioned in the "dating early 20th Century Shotguns"). The chambers are original 7 cm so it will take 2 3/4 shells (I'll give her some boxes of RST 2 1/2, 7/8 ounce to start with and make sure she shoots low-pressure 2 3/4's afterwards). My wife's Family is from Saint Chamond near Saint Etienne; My son is dual American-French citizen; my Dau-in-law's grandmother was French on her Father's side...so it's appropriate. The LOP is a bit short for me but near perfect for her. She will love it and take care of it.

Just to let you all know - when I contacted the seller on Gun Broker a few months ago, it turned out to be our own Ed Goode...and I must say the gun was everything he said it was and more - I couldn't be happier with it. The triggers break like glass - it feels like an old Swiss clock and locks up with a satisfying "click;" it is just is so precise and the engraving is tasteful and restrained. Ed's trolling can be irritating - but this gun was a great buy for me.

As for son's 870, he does a lot of work in the wilds of the Alaska panhandle and in salt-water ocean kayaks and needed something for bears. You'll recall I was going to get him a coach gun but the nickel plated, synthetic stock 870 Marine Magnum won out. He has an extra 28" barrel + several chokes for it and the ability to change out the long mag as well for hunting. It doesn't rust. "One gun to rule them all and in the wilderness find them." Here is the line:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...5883#Post445883

Whew, just imagine, sitting through a nice pheasant dinner, smiling and enjoying the evening. Someone says I can taste the gaminess, but it's alright. Meanwhile you're thinking, tastes like huglu to me. Naw, this could end up being a gun that stays in the family, and you're fortunate to be around to share your enthusiasm for it.

How about one of these little French sweeties!!!

http://chapuis-armes.com/19-fusils-juxtaposes-progress

Good choice Gene. Hope the DIL appreciates it....sounds like she will.

Tre, what a wonderful gift!! Thanks so much! I'll take the Chapuis Royal Woodcock. I'll send you my address vis PM. Again, what a pleasant surprise and thanks (I'll probably keep it myself you know).

Anyway, I have had several friends out in Incirlik and Adana, Turkey over the past few years who have talked up Huglu, which is probably why I got that idea.. I had a friend posted to Ankara years ago who drove down to Huglu and bought one directly. SKB and Dickinson as well as models for a couple of English guns are made in that town - there is sxs expertise building there now for 50 years - It's the modern day Birmingham, Liege, Saint Etienne - the whole town is SxS, O/U, shotgun in general. One friend just bought a 12 and 20 O/U in Adana...and took a dozen people from the Consulate over to the store to shop. Their engraving is a little over the top imho...Huglu offers a "Constantinople" special which feature engraved pictures of Sultan Mehmed II as he took the City on May 29, 1453...calculated to outrage the Greeks. But my friend bought the extravagant engraving - then again he's a Cajun driving a Ford F150 with 6" lifts and 35" mudders (and a darned good shot).



I'll now take that $750 I saved and start building a fund to get a copy of Sandlapper's 1930's Verney Carron Heliduplex. What a beautiful gun!! - photos deleted from the line but you can see them in the ad below:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=479824&page=1

http://www.dawsonsdoubles.com/details.php?ID=4169

And that 16 gauge Saint Etienne gun is indeed staying in the family.

Now hold on now, I didn't say anything about a gift. Besides, you have to go get fitted for one of their guns.

Oh heck if the stock is too long, I'll just saw it off...or too short just add a recoil pad...$25...send it on over, we'll make it work. Never saw anybody in Vietnam complain about the length of the stock on an M-16.

Great guns! I really like my bobwhite and I can shoot steel out of it WHAAAAT! More than likely you will have to soften the trigger up

Well Kanvasback, The Criteria WERE new and cheap..praps that translates differently in Kanadian? The Huglus in our family are most acceptable..

Previously it was your statement that was idiotic, LD.

Now it is you.

Oh my! Cant dispute the fact, now resorting to personal insult...Ah well, Eastern Canadians, eh?

Should be obvious to anyone reading this, except perhaps you LD, that you began with the personal insults. Despite that, my initial repsonse to you was NOT a personal insult. Your reaction was to do it again.

The curse of the leftie......if you do it, it's bad, if I do, it is perfectly fine. LOL

Edit to add: Gene, sorry for messing up your thread. I just think erroneous personal insults and their hurlers should be called out.

+1 James. And we all know of Last Dollar's long history of hurling personal insults... Now here he is, acting like some gentleman who has been offended. Typical behavior from him and his kind. I wonder if he thinks he's fooling anyone?

I'm not surprised that Argo44 went with the vintage Gertest Berthon 16 gauge. I'm sure his daughter will treasure the gift from her dad, and the consideration that went into the decision. When she needs a gun to shoot steel, she can simply add to her collection.

Guys, I thoroughly enjoyed your comments, even the vitriol and the passion. And I still like that Ringneck. I've been doing Turkey Middle East stuff for a few years. I don't have a 20...the William Evans belongs to my wife and she won't let me touch it to update the recoil pad, etc. So, who knows, I might just buy one for myself and give it a try. And it is encouraging to hear positive comments from people who have shot it.

I'll be hearing from my friend currently out in Adana who bought all those Huglus...for me calling him a "Cajun." He prefers "East Texan"...if Shreveport can be so termed. We'll be shooting his new guns together when he gets back.

Couple of funny stories background: He bought his dream Huglu 12 bore...I told him via email he can't shoot dove with a 12 ...he need a 20 or 28 (baiting him). His response was, "I never shot dove...we shoot ducks in Louisiana." But he bought the 20. I ran this past a Special Forces veteran from Arizona - he said, "dang sure you can shoot dove with a 12." He is the guy who claimed to have killed 7 quail with one shot from a .308. He claimed he saw them run into an Arizona draw, fired the 308 into the gravel and got them all with secondaries. A fundamental belief in firepower and to heck with what's left. Oh well....