Thanks guy, I don't know what I'd do without you.

I recently bought a 12 gauge Model 12. That's all I need. And to be frank that's all I ever really needed. [/quote]

Well if you settled for Model 12 Featherweight with short barrel (in this model 12ga 26" 1/4 choke) or 16ga standard Model 12 with barrel of similar specs you would not only own the best upland pump Winchester ever made but one of the best shotguns for that purpose ever created. Big bonus is you would be able to use upland or target steel loads for hunting if required no problemo.