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When it comes to double barreled shotguns, what qualifies as a curio or relic? Is there a cut off date? Would an English gun made before WW2 be a relic? Thanks
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50 years under the US GCA of '68...Geo
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Yes, 50 years. The most basic rule of C&R guidelines.
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Correct, of course you must be able to show its 50yrs old or on the list for most dealers to be able to show it in the BB if necessary. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics"ATF has recognized only complete, assembled firearms as curios or relics. ATF’s classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration. Frames or receivers of curios or relics are not generally recognized as curios or relics."https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/p-5300-11-firearms-curios-or-relics-listpdf-0/download
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k: seems like every time an off topic atf type question pops up here, you gotta chime in wid yo two bits....
are you some kinda closet wanna be atf agent? or what?
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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When a poster asks a question about doubles, how is it off topic on a double gun forum?
If there's anybody that is "off", it's you.
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well stan, reckon its how one reads hit...and the bit about receivers not being considered as c&r items, and the reference to a dealers bound book do not pertain to double guns, in my view...
sounds more like someone trying to impress us with his detailed knowledge of atf regs...for what purpose one can only guess...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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I've dealt with this many times and showing a British double fits under the 50 year C&R criterion is as easy as attaching a copy of the relevent page(s) from Brown's references or similar. I've never had one denied. It is the easiest part of the process...well,apart from spending one's money.
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Ed Good, do you feel that Dave K's pertinent information is nearly as out of place and as idiotic as your anti-hunting comments or pro-PETA comments you post when dove season rolls around every year? here is one definition: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is the largest animal rights organization in the world, with more than 3 million members and supporters. PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods of time: on factory farms, in the clothing trade, in laboratories, and in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of other issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds, and other “pests” as well as cruelty to domesticated animals. PETA works through public education, cruelty investigations, research, animal rescue, legislation, special events, celebrity involvement, and protest campaigns. Read more: http://www.peta.org/about-peta/#ixzz2nGfdrBVKdon't sound so bad to me? what do you think? And would you care to comment on the lunacy and stupidity of posting anti-2nd Amendment crap like this on a shotgun forum Ed? long standing laws at the local, state and federal level do restrict and prohibit our right to keep and bear certain classes of arms.
if society, via our law makers, deem it necessary to restrict or prohibit our possession of certain classes of arms, then every good citizen should obey the law for the good of the majority.
and if some here wish to discuss further restriction and prohibition of certain classes of arms here, then why not?
what are you afraid of? Sounds like you are trying to impress us with your anti-gun and anti-hunting Trolling prowess. For what purpose is no longer anyone's guess. You are obviously here to cause trouble and undermine this forum, and our rights to hunt and own firearms as well.
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I am buying a gun made in 1930. It could then be considered a C&R, right? Can I have it shipped directly to me or does it still need to be transferred from one FFL to another?
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Ask Ed Good he Know everything,,you have to have a c&r ffl or an ffl to receive a 1930s mfg firearm,antiques have a different criteria ,depending on the juristiction
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I am buying a gun made in 1930. It could then be considered a C&R, right? Can I have it shipped directly to me or does it still need to be transferred from one FFL to another? You are good with a direct shipment to you with your C&R license. The only caveat is some dealers don't like to ship to C&R licensee's for whatever reason. Also, it might be different in California (being shipped from or shipped to) in regards to using a C&R license. The rules: What is a C&R License? A Curio and Relic License (or an 03 FFL, or C&R License) is a Federal Firearms License that was designed under the Gun Control act of 1968 to allow collectors of C&R type firearms to purchase/acquire or sell/dispose of C&R type guns in interstate commerce. There is no NICS check and the firearms can be delivered directly to your door.
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I have no problem shipping to a c&r person. I do know of some dealers that say if you can currently buy currently produced ammo for it, they will only send to a ffl dealer
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Shipping C&R guns OUT of California only requires you present the shipper with a copy of the receiver's C&R license (You can't get a verification from the ATF QuikCheck (Sp???) website like you can for a regular FFL because that would disclose the collector's home address, a bad thing). Shipping a C&R gun into CA to a C&R collector's license has some CA legislative wrinkles that are explained (I think) on various forums on www.calguns.netNot having a C&R license, I just treat C&R guns like regular guns when I have them shipped to me in CA--FFL to CA FFL if they are "allowed" handguns, FFL or individual to CA FFL if long guns. If you do the latter, make sure the FFL you are shipping to will accept guns from an individual and include a DL copy to show you aren't a minor. And buy stock in a paper manufacturer!
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A firearm also does not have to be on the published list to be considered a curio or relic. If it is 50 years or older (in month, September 1967) it is a curio or relic based on it's age.
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A firearm also does not have to be on the published list to be considered a curio or relic. If it is 50 years or older (in month, September 1967) it is a curio or relic based on it's age. And for all the hiccups of the C&R FFL, this is a prime reason to have one. There is a world of great guns that where made in the 50s and 60s that are now C&R eligible. And more every year!
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