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Does anyone know about or have a gun marked Kuhn of Philadelphia ? This 16 gauge seems well made and maybe the 16 gauge is unusual for the period.  
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Markings? Looks like my 16 gauge Lindner Golcher.
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Daryl, I have a 4 gauge Francis Kuhn breech loader hammer gun IN VERY VERY GOOD CONDITION Kuhn guns are very rare
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Pretty gun and does look to be a quality build. Wish I had more to offer.
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I agree with 8bore.
It looks like all that "German/Prussian" stuff coming out of the Philly area at that time.
What does the forend loop look like?
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Daryl,
Let us see the bottom of the barrels and water table.
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Thanks to all. You guys are pretty good. Here're a couple of pictures, one not so good. It seems to be a Lindner sourced gun. Typical high quality work from that source. I'm not sure how much work was done in Philadelphia. Old Wildfowler, your gun must be something. Is it possible we could see some pictures ? If needed , I can post them if you wish to email them to me. darylh1942@gmail.com I'm just now relearning how to post pics after photobucket's demise.  
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Looks like the First Lindner Mark. What's the serial number? A guess at production year would be post 1878 (approx) after Heinrich married and took over from Georg. It's hard to nail down without the serial number, as the mark was used during both serial number sequences. Current theory is the numbers were restarted when A&D patent protection ran out circa 1889. (basic patent) This doesn't relate directly to your gun's action, only to the Lindner serial number sequence which would aid in dating it.
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Ken, the number is 2726, but there is no barrel number like in some guns. It has the typical Lindner loop, and has a checkered wood butt.
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OK, the calculus is a little fuzzy, it's based on the the last guns of the first sequence being produced circa 1889, (#3950) and extrapolating back using a 18 gun per mo. production estimate. So, in this case it's around 5 1/2 years, or circa 1883 for the gun's manufacture. Give or take a little, depending on if the first series numbers went into 1890.
We may be somewhat off, or merely missing enough data, but if you figure that the first series numbers correspond with the A&D patent protection period of 14 years, then estimated production numbers jump up slightly to approx 23 guns per mo.
A full set of pics would be a nice addition to the recent/current Lindner Daly thread.
If anyone has different info, please feel free to post it.
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A.B. more than likely points to August Blatt of Albrechts and I believe those initials are seen on several of Josef Jakob's offerings. JW is Julius W, Wolf, etc. Frank Kuhn either sourced from Josef Jakob or he was of the many, many retailers sourcing from the very large umbrella of Schoverling, Daly & Gales. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post235112Cheers, Raimey rse
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Ken, thanks. Send me your email and I'll send you some more pics. Do what you wish with them. Daryl
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Production could have easily varied from year to year & modell to modell so if there were lower rung offerings, production could been higher while the A&D Body Action may have taken more time to roll out. Hammerguns may have languished a bit longer at the A&D Body Action era interface & could have on the shelves @ Lindner or Kuhn for a time.
All we need is Daly's ledger & it is lying around somewhere.
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Daryl, I have a 4 gauge Francis Kuhn breech loader hammer gun IN VERY VERY GOOD CONDITION Kuhn guns are very rare Any chance it has any Lindner marks on it? Or, possibly a five digit Scott type serial number? Regards Ken
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Frank Kuhn Gunsmith 503 North 8th Street, h 2770 Pratt Building - 1858?? listing
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From GabelGuns:
Frank Kuhn is listed as a gunsmith in 1866 at 516 North Front Street in Philadelphia; at 502 Everett Place from 1876-1881; at 476 North Eighth Street from 1881 to 1897 and at 503 North 8th Street in 1900. He is listed as a gunsmith, a dealer in guns and pistols, and as a dealer in sporting goods.
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Can't quite recall who I composed being some compilation of data but: "A.B Daly Lindner (Crown) circa 1885 - 1890 2706, 3551, 3665(August Blatt of Albrechts is a strong candidate along with Alex. Barthelmes of Zella-Mehlis, who was probably a decendent of Leopold Barthelmes(ss), a master gunmaker of Zella in the mid 1800s. Emil Barthelmes founded a gunmaking business in Zella in 1854.)" So 2726 can be added to the list. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post150581Cheers, Raimey rse
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I'll will take a few pics and send them to Daryl he will post them Jim Marsh
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The Frank Kuhn weights 16-1/2 lbs, has a 42 inch barrel and it has no proof marks only a 4 digit serial number.
the bore is perfect
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