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Most of the big box promo 1 oz 12's are made to cycle an A5. Kick like a mule

bill

My go to load is an Estate loading. 2 3/4", 1145 fps, 1 1/8 oz., #8 or 7 1/2 (according to distance), with "extra hard shot" (their wording). I used to shoot the faster stuff, but found it was useless. I bought 20 flats of these last year for $51.00/flat delivered, and have shot over half of them. My scores for the year are the highest they have ever been. I am averaging over 90% at sporting, so far.

There is no doubt that these loads would hammer doves unmercifully. However, an ounce and an eighth of shot is totally unnecessary for doves, and I wouldn't use them for that. I'd consider it unsporting.

SRH

I'd very much like to see that Estate load in 5's or 6's.

Interesting these discussions.

The point is often made that extra launch velocity scrubs off pretty quickly due to the drag increasing as velocity squared.

We recently in another thread worked out that the kinetic energy difference of a 7 1/2 lead pellet at 40 yards showed a 20% increase at 1330 fps launch vs. 1135 fps launch.

1 ounce payload recoil energy in a 7 pound gun would be 23.5 vs. 17.7.

Comfortable vs. pretty annoying.

Seems an easy decision.

I just bought 2 flats of those Walmart $5/ box 1-oz shells. I then proceeded to shoot one flat in about 3 hours at the Back Woods quail club SC course. I must say that my teeth were chattering and my zygomatic arch was aching afterward. It's back to 1100fps RST's for me on Labor Day.

One solution is switch to 16ga were standard load is 1oz @ 1180fps. Being for Ole' Fart gauge ammo manufacturers don't seem to offer high velocity lead loads.

Solution? That implies there is a problem, which there isn't. Nobody said lower velocity loads were not available. They are. The only issue is whether or not a man chooses to use them, or believe the BS about high velocity.

SRH

Easy enough to find 1 1/8 oz 12ga loads at moderate velocity--which I use on occasion when I shoot trap (which I shoot only very occasionally) and for stuff like the pigeon ring at the Great Northern.

Dave, if you want a load like that with larger shot for hunting pheasants, there's a good one using Fed Gold Medal hull, Fed primer, Fed 12S3 wad, and Unique. More than just that one, IIRC, if you go to the Alliant Powder Guide. You do have to do some looking to find something like that in a factory load with shot any larger than 7.5.

Larry, I was just looking at those recipes on the Alliant site last night after mulling over this thread and also recollecting our prior conversations on these Gold Medal/Unique loads. I have all the components, so that's on this month's to-do list. I picked up a 2nd 12 ga. Merkel 200E, and while it's not as light as the prewar gun I have, it's still only an ounce over 6 1/2 pounds and a 1 1/8 pz load at 1200 fps is as hard as I want to push it.

We used to have annual contact with the owner of Olympia Cartridges at the NWTF Turkey Shoot at The Meadows, which was held there in August of each year. He once custom loaded us a goodly quantity of #4s at about 1100 fps. Those were the deadliest long range (and short, obviously) crow loads I ever saw. We've still got a few of them left I think, but as you say, there's nothing on the market that I am aware of, with larger shot, under about 1250 fps.

SRH