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The "ballpark conversion figure"--which I don't think works for the much higher pressure crusher-measured rifle loads (CUP rather than LUP)--is LUP + 1,000 = psi.

Even after the Brits dropped the tons proofmarks on their guns and started using bars (mid to late 80's) they were still using crusher rather than transducer values. For example, circa 2000, I got the following number from the Birmingham Proofhouse: Standard proof (850 bar proof marked on the gun; 650 bar service pressure) converts to 13,920 psi proof pressure and 10,730 service pressure. You can't get there via the 14.5 x bar = psi formula.

Our distant British kin of lesser means were forced to "Walk Up" their game, and going away shots are a different prospect.
Note the "setting" Setter

"The Art of Wingshooting" 1895



Not unlike A.B. Frost "Prairie Chicken Shooting" 1895



Another Setter "setting"



Kate in Kansas



c. 1890 Parker

I use 17 gr. Pb and 1 oz # 8 in my 1875 Vintage Stephen Grant. Nice load and low pressure. Unfortunately like 7625 , Pb is or has been discontinued.

Pinnated grouse are "Prairie Chickens", a North American bird.

16 gauge and pinnated grouse.

What a beauty chukarman

Thank you. Clair Kofoed took the photo on a trip we took to Nebraska.