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Is my 6 3/4 lb 12g. Damascus Remington 1894 the only one made? I don't think so.
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I have a 6˝ lb H grade Lefever with 28" Twist barrels. It is Not made on the XX frame either. This is the only 12 ga Lefever i have which weighs less than 7Ľ lbs & my only 16 goes 6 3/4 lbs but there are some light weights out there. There would have been more made if people would have ordered them that way, they were offered my most of the better makers at least. It seems that a century or more ago in the US light weight was not particularly in demand.
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Larry Parker made some light weights also. Bobby
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Light American 12's are out there . . . but compared to light British 12's, they're decidedly rare. A 6 3/4# 12ga is at the heavy end of "game gun" weight, by British standards. I recall a guy showing up at our gun club one morning with a Ruger Red Label 28ga. Bragged about how light his gun was. Just so happened someone had a postal scale: Right at 6 1/4. At the time, I had a pair of Army and Navy BLE 12's, 28" barrels, 2 1/2" chambers, made by Webley & Scott. I was shooting one of them. Put it on the scale; his outweighed mine by an ounce. And it's not at all unusual to find quite a few Brit 2 1/2" 12's in that 6 1/4-6 1/2# range.
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Which by the rule of 96, is right in the ballpark for the 1 1/16 oz. Eley Grand Prix.
My 'Pahkah' tips the scales at 6lb 10 oz, which is actually a tad light for the 'standard' 1 1/8 oz. load. It might, therefore, be classified as a 'light 12'.
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+1 Larry on you weight classes.
The nifty point for Red Label 28's is a unmounted swing effort of 1.7 which makes them more shootable for many than the 1.2-1.4 of many of the light game guns.
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Rocketman, I think Ruger did better with the RL 28ga than they did with the Gold Label 12ga! Ever run one of those on your machine?
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William Foster wrote in his grouse book that there were no lightweight doubles made in America, Fox and the Ithaca Flues small bores could be ordered as light as any imported double. Bobby If he'd said no lightweight 12's, he would have been on pretty solid ground. No... he wouldn't have. No doubt that American double 12's are on average heavier than British and may other European guns, But there are enough light weight American double 12's out there to make this statement absolutely incorrect.
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Rocketman, I think Ruger did better with the RL 28ga than they did with the Gold Label 12ga! Ever run one of those on your machine? Yes, indeed. Two, in fact; one a straight grip and one a pistol grip. Unlikely as it seems, they had identical handling: Ruger Gold Label SxS BLE Pistol Grip: Weight = 6# 10 oz, balance to trigger = 5 1/4", Unmounted = 1.41, Mounted = 6.84, gauge = 12, barrels = 28", LOP = 14 1/4" Average Game Gun: Weight = 6# 8 oz, balance to trigger = 4 1/2", unmounted = 1.45, mounted = 6.38, gauge = 12, barrels = 28", LOP = 14 1/4". We can say the Gold Label is a dead ringer for the Brit game gun pattern. The higher (6.84 vs 6.38) mounted swing effort may be noticeable and is accounted for by the more forward balance (5 1/4" vs 4 1/2") due to heavier barrels. What do you think, Larry? DDA
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Personally, the significant forward balance part bothered me. That and the fact I've never liked the Ruger safety.
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