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Standard original Winchester field gun in good shape costs about $1500 or more (have seen one for $1200 not long ago but that sold quickly) . Personally I do not know what people see in those and I have no desire to ever own one. I much prefer self-loding gun where I can focus on shooting w/o moving my arm.
If I had one of those original Winchester 42s in high condition I would use it just like any other gun. The way the country is going I'm not sure we will have one in fifty years or so. I certainly would not worry about passing one to the grandkids.
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Collecting ex wives is a grand past time. Just don't restore them to wives
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
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Having attractive spouse half ones age shows wealth, power and influence. Just look at the Great American Chief. He is on this third one. I would say its right up there with having personal jet along with several castle-like residencies. A wealthy man once showed me one of them fancy 18k gold erotic watches. It had special mechanisms where at certain time on the dial the man was actually doing a woman. I admit it was one of the neatest watches I have ever seen. It came from Swiss custom watch maker and cost tens of thousands, but if I had the money I would probably buy it just to have one. Much kooler than any gun and one can take it anywhere and show it off to people that appreciate what it took to make one.
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Every thought about how silly some of us view the myriad of guns made to be "collectible" instead of shot and how many people fall for the trap? If you make a new gun and add a little extra half axx moderate machine engraving, then add a serial number to say it is one of five hundred or even fifty is it really collectible? To me this is like all those Franklin Mint coins or plates which are just a fake collectible item that will never gain in value. Or the Ruger Red Label with a little simple engraving claiming to be one of fifty special edition guns. Come on they are still a Red Label at heart.
Been looking for a Winchester 42 .410 for early dove season and preserve birds. Found one that suits my needs. It is a "fake collectible" in my book that has seen very light use. Glad it has been shot because it is neither a rare Winchester 42 or a unfired, nib gun. It is one of the 42's that Winchester had made for them in Japan. But I was thinking that since it is not a real collectible I'd would shoot it anyways than let it sit in my gun room gathering dust for the next sucker looking for a wannabe collectible gun. Then you have the Browning labeled Japanese made copies of the Winchester model 12 and 42 in the Citori grade VI which Winchester never made with fake looking Gold inlays. That's a double or triple fake collectible in my book. A Japanese copy of a American gun with stuff added to it which never came on the original to start with. Like a Chinese made, 56 Chevy repro with a turbo charged 4 cylinder motor and neon light under the frame. Yum what a collectible car that would be. Let me help you with superior choice. There is something nice out there called 1100 .410 Tournament with wonderful polish, blueing, wood and machine cut checkering. Great weapon where you only have to pull the bolt let go and the mechanism does the rest until magazine is empty. You can just focus on target and forget about moving your arm back and forth. Wonderful isn't it? The gun is Made in USA instead of Japan which is another big plus.
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Buy one jager and tell us how long it keeps working.
The part on the action bar that the bolt rides on in the .410 1100 is now made of some kind of sintered material. They break.
As of two years ago, there are no parts and Remington cannot fix those guns. Things may have changed, but beware of recent production 1100 .410.
Besides, even if you do find an old one that works, it won't cycle anything reloaded more than once so you're stuck using new shells. Price new .410's lately?
Superior choice to a 42? Barf.
And.. why do you call a sporting shotgun a weapon?
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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Jagermeister if you think a semi auto .410 is better than a 42 .410 pump gun you are most likely on the wrong site. It is not about speed to a limit but the process. Just pulling the trigger on a semi auto, as fast as you can, to take birds is not hunting. Until you figure that out keep trying those 1100's. Perhaps you like a little powder blown back into your face. I give them a pass but will pass on using one in the field.
I used 1100's for over thirty years for clay targets, from 1965-2000, including 11/87s, and long ago learned their limitations and their flaws. In small bore we use to keep two on hand to keep just one running while the other was waiting for repair or waiting to make it function properly. I ran a hundred straight in Skeet and had to borrow a third gun to finish using factory shells. Each gauge was accompanied by a tackle box of parts and trigger groups to make ready repairs possible at shoots. Feed latches, extractor, firing pins, o rings, action springs, action bars, you name it I've replace them.
I own a Winchester Model 12, which is just like the 42 which has had zero parts replaced in over six decades of use. Between my father and myself it has had several pickup load of shells shot in it and zero parts replaced. No 1100 ever made can say the same.
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I've used both the 1100 and the improved 11-87 Remingtons in Argentina. After a morning shoot of a case of shells (500) you'll shoot a single shot all afternoon if you do not clean the gun instead of eating lunch...Geo
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The newer powders certainly help, but I've heard the South American shells are not necessarily top notch.
The 1100 is a natural pointer, and most folks shoot one well. The best thing you can do is get a good aftermarket trigger group.
I've had several and am now down to 3, all 12 gauge guns from the 70's with the diamond in the pistol grip. They were simply better made then.
A Remington skeet gun is a hoot, and a reminder of days past when not every guy could afford the best equipment. That gun did a lot for the sport even with it's obvious limitations.
There are simply better choices now, and I would not go near a .410
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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Let me help you with superior choice. There is something nice out there called 1100 .410 Tournament with wonderful polish, blueing, wood and machine cut checkering. Great weapon where you only have to pull the bolt let go and the mechanism does the rest until magazine is empty. You can just focus on target and forget about moving your arm back and forth. Wonderful isn't it? The gun is Made in USA instead of Japan which is another big plus.
JM, please tell us what personal experience you have with this gun that suggests you have any factual basis for helping KY Jon make a "superior choice". Right, I thought so. None! I'll make a suggestion for how you, JM, can make a superior choice. Stop offering advice about things you know nothing about. Stop cluttering up threads with diversions into semi autos. Stay on topic and add to the discussion, don't pretend to know things you know nothing about. I make that suggestion with the knowledge that that is how I operate on here. I don't tell experts stupid things. I keep my mouth shut and learn. And only when I can add something, do I post. You would do well to try it.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Buy one jager and tell us how long it keeps working.
The part on the action bar that the bolt rides on in the .410 1100 is now made of some kind of sintered material. They break.
As of two years ago, there are no parts and Remington cannot fix those guns. Things may have changed, but beware of recent production 1100 .410.
Besides, even if you do find an old one that works, it won't cycle anything reloaded more than once so you're stuck using new shells. Price new .410's lately?
Superior choice to a 42? Barf.
And.. why do you call a sporting shotgun a weapon?
I bought 1972 vintage 16ga with 26" IC VR barrel. It functions fine with standard 1oz loads. I should have bought 12ga Beretta with 24" barrel with interchangeable tubes. Should have remembered what Madonna once said: "Italians do it better......" As they say live and learn....... 
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