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I do that occasionally, buzz, and it does help when things do not seem to be uniform. But, I shot it enough times to be sure, then numbered and photographed the patterns. Every shot, every time, from the right barrel crossed the point of convergence and patterned left. And, vice versa. EVERY time. I'm aware of the possibility of flinching, and shoot most all my patterns from the sitting position. If I see something with a gun I am concerned about I then shoot the same gun several times offhand, to more closely approximate how we hold a shotgun when shooting at game. I've been patterning shotguns most of my life, but only in the past 6 months or so began using my own grease plate. I previously used a friend's plate about 15 miles away.

BTW, I've never seen a noticeable difference in where the patterns went between offhand shooting and sitting position. It's just that I can hold and squeeze the trigger much better sitting. Squeezing a shotgun trigger is not a normal thing, and I have to "fight" to do it. It took me quite awhile to transition from bullseye pistol and target competition to shotgun competition, and trigger control was a major part of it.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Sure wish Chuck would check in and tell us how much he was able to move the patterns on his gun.

Happy Independence Day! LET FREEDOM RING!!!

SRH

I have been considering a Dickinson or SKB 410 for awhile now. I have always been curious about how they pattern.
I would like to hear how your other guns did.
If you have been having sucess with the gun as you say and have shown us in your pictures I would not have any concern

I cannot accept sub standard performance PALUNC. It will be dealt with or it will go. As much as I like the gun, I intend to expend some time and effort (read $$$) to get it right. The gun is just a little jewel other than the POI problem. And, in the interest of fairness, there are many otherwise fine guns in the hands of shooters and hunters that are not regulated any better than my Dickinson. I am even aware of a Fabbri S x S that belonged to a well known pigeon shooter that got rid of it because it was not regulated to suit him. Dollars don't guarantee perfect regulation.

This very inexpensive Yildiz is perfectly regulated, as I said before.



SRH

If I had a gun that I KNEW shot like yours, I would have "0" confidence in it, and like you, either remedy it or get rid of it. The regulation problem looks like more than 2" by your patterns. I think it would be hard to remedy, and with an inexpensive gun, I would start over and get rid of this one. Just my humble opinion.

It was an $1850 gun, AIR, buzz.

There aren't many options out there for a 30" barreled ejector S x S .410. Thus, the Dickinson. Therefore the reason I am wanting to make it right. Screw-ins will do the job, no doubt. I just didn't particularly want screw chokes in the gun, but ............... it may be either that or nothing.

SRH

Oh......$1850, well that's a different matter. I thought it was much less. Sorry. Well, I'd try to remedy that one too. Good luck there Stan. (PS, sorry if I annoyed you, I was ignorant re the value of the gun).

The pushing of the barrels together can't be but a couple .001's to align the patterns.

It will be fun to see how you accomplish the solution you are happy with.

No, not annoyed at all my friend. Just a bit annoyed that the most important aspect of a doublegusn's ability to be effective at what it was created for is so often neglected.

You know what they say, tho' ........... it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. She ain't even warming' up yet.

There is no such thing as an unsolveable problem ...... if you're willing to work at it hard and long enough.

All my best, SRH

As a side note, boys ............ if you're otherwise happy with your guns, don't build a grease plate. I'll bet my bottom dollar you will find that some of your guns aren't shooting where you are looking, or aren't regulated, or both.

I'm very glad I built mine, however. I don't go by the adage that "ignorance is bliss". I'm not happy until I know why I'm missing.

SRH

Stan, have you talked with the Dickinson importer you worked with to get the 30" barrels to see if they are willing to replace the gun/barrels or help otherwise?
JR