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Look for some help id an old side plated boxlock SxS shotgun. Its Belgium made but there is no makers name on the gun.

Any help will be appreciated....

Tubes more than likely sourced from Neumann Brothers(Neumannn Fr�res). I suppose they could have manufactured it? Anything on the buttplate or top rib?


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Thanks Rainey. No marks on the rib or the buttplate. Buttplate has carvings of deer and other animals but no makers info.

I too thought about Nuemann F. But i think his mark was N in a bugle and not NF.

I think it's nitro proof with 2 3/4 chambers.

I'm pretty confident that NF and an encircled NF represents compensation & liability for Neumannn Fr�res( Brokov� dvojka Neumann Fr�res, Liege). An encircled N also denotes effort by the Gebr�der Neumann. I'll have to dig thru the bowels of the BBS and see if I can ferret out some similar touchmarks. I'm sure you checked the sides of the lugs & the standing breech?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Josef Ritter

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=376875&page=1

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

I not sure of the date code / lettre annale, but I seem to recall @ one point hashing out the possibilities of that character?




Cheers,

Raimey
rser

1929 perhaps

http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_All_Proofmarks.html

I would agree to 1929!

Cheers,
Wolfgang

Thanks everyone for the info.

Raimey - Checked the sides of the lugs and standing breech and did not find any markings. It has Purdey style triple bolting.

Well then, I'll continue to search. Does the frame have the side frame re-enforcement? On the lettre annale & knowing that assumption is the antithesis of exactitude, what if we assumed that the inspector's touchmark of a P surmounted by a Star, or a Spangled P, rigidly bounds the date to say 1950-1965, what then would you say the character represents?


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Thanks. Not sure what you mean by re-enforcement? Is it the bolsters as shown in the last pic in my original post?

The inspectors mark looks like a q with a star over it.

Side of the frame similar to the above?


Sure, change the scenario to that of having an inspector's touchmark of a spangled q.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, this is my Emile Warnant with the same mark:



and on the watertable with EW which should mean Emile Warnant:



Emile Warnant was registered with the Liege Proofhouse between 1911 - 1934

The "P" is mirrored but this doesn't make it a "Q" in capital letters as used by the Proofhouse.

What do you mean?

Cheers,
Wolfgang

Here comes a gun from 1937 with the "q" mark:



Cheers,
Wolfgang

Thanks Raimey and wolfgang.

The side of the frame is re-enforced I will post a pic later today.

Oberndorf,
you have posted it already, the last picture in your first post.

Cheers,
Wolfgang

Raimey is correct. The NF was the registered trademark of the Neumann Brothers. Neumann was capable of making a gun of any quality.

http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_Trade_Marks.html

Pete