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Originally Posted By: lagopus
I've got ZB down as 1974 taken from Nigel Brown's book.


But the mark used in 1974 wasn't the small crossed scepters mark we see on this gun. It was a much larger mark enclosed in a circle. The mark on this gun was no longer used after 1941.

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You've got me puzzled now Larry. Just looking at what I have shows the 'ZB' mark as the last used of that style in 1974. Then from 1975 to 1984 it shows the mark, minus the crossed sceptres, and enclosed in a circle. Then in 1985 it seems to go back to the old system with the familiar crossed sceptres. Then in 2008 it changes slightly again to the crossed sceptre mark with a 'B' at 12 o'clock (for Birmingham) and the last two digits for the year at 3 & 9 o'clock such as 0 8, 0 9, etc. No date marks were used from 1941 until 1950 because of military involvement. Hope I have it right. Lagopus.....

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Here's what I have, Lagopus, from an article on Westley Richards by Colin Greenwood, Double Gun Journal Winter 2003:

"The marks ceased to be used from 1941, but were reintroduced for the calendar year 1950, this time with a circle divided into three . . . When this series expired in 1974, the circle was used without the inner divisions." If that's correct, then the mark for 1974 would have to be the new style--larger, and enclosed in a circle.

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A case of different sources and different views. I went from Brown's 'British Gunmakers' and 'A Bi-Centenary History of the Birmingham Proof House 1813 - 2013' by C.W.Harding. Lagopus.....

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I know that a large circle enclosing the mark (which made it MUCH easier to read) was used at some point post-1950. But other than the reference above, I can't tell you exactly when. But I don't recall seeing that previous small mark on any postwar guns . . . but I may well have missed it.

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