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Homeless, I have a house full of guns that are worth less than the sum of their parts and labor. Your point?
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The case coloring process used at Utica on their Fox doubles seemed to result in at least two distinct patterns and this gun is one of them. The other is the "mountain ranges" pattern as seen on my Fox-Sterlingworth Wildfowl and my drawbolt gun on the Fox Collectors web site. I've got a 1936 vintage Fox-Sterlingworth (DGJ Volume Fifteen, Issue 3) that shows this style of case colors.
IMHO, and from years of reading Sherman Bell, I'm convinced there must have been some type of bore obstruction to cause this split. My cousins shot early steel shot loads in an old 12-gauge KED-grade Remington Hammerless Double for a few seasons until they bulged the choke and broke the ribs loose, but those old Damascus tubes took the strain!
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Chuck,
If I'm not mistaken, the "Fox Sterlingworth" is the dead giveaway to the Utica manufacture.
There was considerable variation in the frame radius long before Savage took over. I have a 1911 A grade with the large radius, a 1921 A grade with a 1/8" radius and a 1926 SW with no radius at all. Those are all Philly guns. Then I have a 1930 Utica SW with the 1/8" radius. I think the most that be concluded is that a very generous radius indicates a fairly early Fox....but even that may not be an absolute.
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Pete, I'm familiar enough with them to know Savage built Sterlingworths, in fact, I have two plus a couple AHF Philly guns. The Savage built guns I have, have a square corner in the intersection of the top tang to frame. The Philly guns have a generous radius there. Chuck, the square corners are used on the late Philadelphia made 16 and 20ga guns. I have a 16ga made in 1928-29 that has the square corners at the head of the stock. A 12ga I have from the same era still has the rounded corners. Jim
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Homeless, I have a house full of guns that are worth less than the sum of their parts and labor. Your point? I hope there not all Sterlingworths with sleeved barrels...point is the gun is not worth sleeving.
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That's a matter of opinion. Considering the nice receiver and the possibility of having a 28 gauge Fox, some would be eager to pursue such a project. Some double gun guys have friends in the restoration business and don't neccesarily pay retail. Some exchange services with others in the business. I will bet whatever you choose to bet that this gun will not be leaning in anyone's "corner" for the next ten years, certainly not Doug Mann's corner. Murphy
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I did a similar 28g conversion on a LC 20g and Kirk Merrington provided some guidance.
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I see not a sign of that "Circumferential Ring" in this bbl. An obstruction creates a localized high pressure area which will first cause a bulged ring "Around the bbl". If it is severe enough it will then burst at the weakest point, but signs of that ring will be present. It may be there, but I cannot discern it in this photo. All I see is it is just gaped open, but I see no "Stretched Area" around the bbl at any point.
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Chuck, if Kirk provided "advice", who did the actual conversion? Would you consider giving us a tutorial on the project? Murphy
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It'd make a nice tomatO stake.
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