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Good Morning!
You bought a vintage shotgun with bobbed barrels.
Please don't blow it, or yourself, to pieces using modern ammunition.
You can be very successful in all shotgun venues with your shotgun using the appropriate ammunition.
Get out there and have safe, successful fun with it.
Out there doing it best I can.
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I believe a crolle pattern can be seen underneath the blueing. The barrels are Damascus. The lateral part of the 'D' was filed off and the barrels buffed. Do NOT use the gun until the barrels have been evaluated.
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Mike, I've already fired 11buckshots, and about 4 slugs. She kicks like a freaking Mule. So I decided to get the "AA" ammo that CASS uses. Hopefully that will reduce the shoulder and knuckle soreness, lol.
Not all AA loads are the same. There are two that would be appropriate for use in your gun. The first is the AA low noise, low recoil load. The second is the AA Xtra-lite, in the one ounce load. Both have low enough pressure for use in Vintage guns, the other AA loads's have pressure that is too high. Since DocDrew pointed out the crolle, here's a pic of what Remington model 1900 Damascus looks like:  Regards Ken
Last edited by Ken61; 04/10/17 08:06 AM.
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Thanks for the advice on ammo. I'll double check the AA Ammo I just picked up. So is the KA1 stamp throwing everyone else off also? Due to the age of the Shot Gun would it be wise to have it perform in a CASS event? Here's my set... 
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You need to have the gun evaluated, especially barrel wall thickness. If they've been honed too thin, it's unsafe to shoot. If everything checks out, it's fine for CASS using the appropriate loads.
As DocDrew mentioned, it was probably "KAD", the "D" indicating the barrels are Damascus. If the second letter had been an "E", it would have ejectors instead of an extractor. 1900s with fluid steel tubes typically have a "Y" letter. (As in Skeettx's picture) For example, a "KEY" gun has ejectors and fluid steel tubes, a "KED" with ejectors and Damascus tubes.
Regards
Ken
Last edited by Ken61; 04/10/17 10:40 AM.
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You certainly can't use a shotgun with a white line spacer under the buttplate in a CASS event. Ol' Gila River Harry will laugh you outta the saloon.
SRH
Last edited by Stan; 04/10/17 02:36 PM.
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Most Remington 1894 and 1900 doubles that I have come across have had barrels with excellent thickness. My 1894's are very well made, solid guns with excellent fit and finish. The only weakness that I've seen in them is the design of the tang and stock acts like a wedge and causes a lot of cracked or split stocks. When you look at a C,D or E grade you will see that the lower grades are just a well fit and finished but the better Damascus pattern barrels, nicer engraving and beautiful case colors make them as nice a double as any eve made in the US.
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Next, you need a Remington 1889 hammer gun. One of my favorites, and one of the most robust of American hammer guns. But please, don't cut the barrels if you find one complete. Use it for Vintage Shoots.
Regards
Ken
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Not much help from anyone here re your original question. Hope you didn't give over $150 for that thing.
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I believe several of us attempted to be helpful John, are trying to be polite, and Researcher is apparently otherwise occupied and unavailable to clear up our confusion. 1. It's a Remington Hammerless Model of 1900; if with ejectors a KED. Researcher has documented a 1909 16g KE marked X K E A 1. Neither he nor Semmer know what that signifies. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=418058#Post418058 2. There were 98,508 produced from 1900 to 1910; Serial numbers 300,000 to 398,508. SO the SN would suggest 1906, but I am not aware of a definitive list. 3. I suspect someone purposefully altered the 'D' to a 'I' and blued the Damascus barrels (and action which should be case colored) as to hide that fact. I could be wrong and maybe the KAI is original. 4. The buttstock was inexpertly replaced. 5. Mike A advised on the first page that the gun needs to be evaluated by a doublegun smith 6. The /// should be accompanied by a pair of 1 or 2 digit numbers, signifying 3__ pellets patterned using 1 1/4 ounces of #8 with 511 pellets to the load in a 30” circle at 40 yards. If stamped 33 that would be 333/511 = 65%. IF the 4 means 304 = 59.5% = Modified 7. What can you add, other than an estimate of value?
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