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Stan, I think part of the two tight patterns is because of plastic wads. Guns which struggled to throw 60% patterns with period ammo now throw 70-75% patterns. Then the decline of two barrel guns, with two different chokes hurt. Not having a more open choke, to make near shots much easier, shooters elect to just go with an open choke to start with. Then with the decline of good dog work, pass shooting birds at a distance are much harder for people to find so they tend to not take those long shots which I use practice as a kid. We would shoot black birds, grackles and pigeons as they flew by at 30-50 yards. Great fun and a great learning experience.

Oh, I agree completely that plastic shot cups is the biggest reason. The main point I was trying to make is that what we have today our forefathers would have loved to have had. And that they could have better utilized it than most can today. 'Cause they were more driven to excel.

SRH

Thanks for the clarification Researcher. I've got 1924 for the 3" here
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17318961

1923 Hunter-Trader-Trapper introducing the Smith LRWF; mentions 3"chamber



1924 now "special 3-inch shell"



1925 letter claiming loss of pattern % with the 2 3/4" Super-X in the 3" chamber

Fear of their families going hungry is a powerful motivation. Also men. Just wanted to get ahead on their own merits. Men knew hard work, were not afraid of work and expected to work hard to get what they desired. My father, who grew up on a farm during the Depression, was still working 60 hour weeks into his 90's in his business. Men of that age just did it instead of watching others or waiting for government help. Classic example was the New Orleans people who have still not rebuilt their homes after a hurricane a decade ago, because they think the Government should do it for them. That's today's help me generation. Those born after 1960, who grew up ith free love and free time to smoke dope or practice free love as my Gradmother use to say.

We have dumbed down our education system to give failure an exceptable label. Lazy is no longer a bad thing to be called because others just say that someone lacked motivation. God help you if your Doctor got into medical or dental school as a marginal student, based on today's education system, because they will not flunk them out. They will spoon feed them even if it takes them six or seven years to complete a four year degree.

It is the same with sports. Parents don't want to keep score in games. Everyone is given the same size trophy so they all feel like winners. No wonder they lack effort. What's the point when the all get the same reward.

I like shooting with average and even bad shooters. Many are willing to learn if given a little help. Just a few minutes can improve their score by five or more birds a round. Might not sound like much to some but to them it is and they help pay the bills. If only master class shooters came out every club in the US would go under. Beside some of them might have a pretty sister or a nice place to duck hunt.

Researcher's green memo from the Fox company is a bit strange. The wording would indicate that 3" shells are proper for any Super Fox when a large percentage of Super Foxes were chambered to use 2 3/4" shells.

Didn't take long for a good "kids today" rant

It should be noted even the "7 year plan" med students have to pass the COMLEX (Comprehensive Osteopathic Medical Licensing Examination) or (USMLE) United States Medical Licensing Examination before being allowed to inflict themselves on an unknowing public.

Here in AZ we just fake it
http://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/inv...5-investigation

I misspoke on my earlier post. There was only a year wait for the 12-gauge 3-inch Super-X load to become available. The 2 3/4 inch 1 1/4 ounce 12-gauge load and the 1 ounce 20-gauge loads came out first in 1922, with the 2 9/16 inch 16-gauge load coming out just a bit later. The 3-inch 12-gauge Super-X load was available in 1923 --



The 2 1/2 inch .410-bore Super-X load appeared in the 1924/5 price lists. I don't have any Western Cartridge Co. paper from 1926, but by the January 1, 1927, price list the 2 7/8 inch 10-gauge Super-X load of 1 5/8 ounce of shot is included.

Does anyone here own one of those Hunter Arms LC Smith long range guns ?
If so, could you please report on the 80 yard range thing.
O.M

Spring 2013 "Double Gun Journal" Volume 24, Issue 1, p. 137

Pattern testing by David Williamson with .042" choke 32" LRWF at a measured 80 yards using 3 inch Winchester (plastic) hull with 38.35 grains of Blue Dot, Winchester 209 primer, Winchester AASL wad, and 1 3/8 ounces of #5 nickel plated shot.
The average number of pellets was 246 and measured weight 1.353 ounce. Number of pellets in duck for 3 shots: 5,6 & 6.
Pattern % in 30" circle: 5.3 = 13 pellets, 8.1 = 20 pellets & 8.5 = 21 pellets.



Maybe a Davis Hy-Power would do better The shell headstamp is "Western Record" NO idea about the "parchment paper capsule that extends beyond the chamber into the bore of the gun."!?!?

Thank you Drew.
Not enough pellets in the bird for my liking.
Energy & penetration are becoming questionable out there too.
80 yard crippler.
O.M