|
S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
|
|
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
31
|
|
|
|
0 members (),
476
guests, and
4
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums10
Topics39,496
Posts562,083
Members14,586
| |
Most Online9,918
Jul 28th, 2025
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 593
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 593 |
'Splain to me once again how holding an acetylene torch flame to spots on a doublegun action case hardens it. It horribly colors it, but you now claim it case-hardens it?
SRH Well, as you already know, what is happening there is a tempering. Those colours are the varying hardness as the hardness is drawn out of the steel. Hardness colours are over rated anyhow, IMHO. I have a NEF 410 that is like a Christmas tree bauble. Garish as a rat with a gold tooth. O.M
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 12,743
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 12,743 |
As I noted Ed has edited his post I assume he started it as Case Hardening, when I looked at it, it said Case Coloring. As stated the use of an acetylene torch to produce colors does not harden, but "Destroys" existing colors.
To date I have never had a frame re-hardened. The only ones I have ever re-colored were a few "Cheapies" on which I used Oxpho blue dapped & streaked on at a temp of about 200°F which does not affect original treatment. First attempt at this was on a Stavens 94 single barrel & it looked about as well as an original which would have been cyanide hardened.
Miller/TN
I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 14,014 Likes: 1817
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 14,014 Likes: 1817 |
He did, of course, change it. I would not have replied as I did had he not originally said case hardening.
It's pretty obvious he is just vainly trying to save face, which is an exercise in futility as it is much too late, IMO, by changing his post and not replying to me. I guess it's hard to convince the world that water ain't wet.
SRH
May God bless America and those who defend her.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 10,134 Likes: 125
Sidelock
|
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 10,134 Likes: 125 |
keep it simple and keep it safe...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 10,134 Likes: 125
Sidelock
|
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 10,134 Likes: 125 |
about cyanide recoloring? how would one classify that?
slow cook, basted with poison sauce?
keep it simple and keep it safe...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,862
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,862 |
Actually, this topic is fairly interesting. I'm speaking of superficially recoloring for purely aesthetic purposes. I'll differentiate this from high temp torch processes that alter the temper of the steel. These low temp processes may be suitable for lower value guns, those which the expense of true case coloring would clearly be uneconomical. My collection of old gunsmithing books are full of these processes, and some firms are offering such things as Tea Staining as a way to provide at least some degree of coloring on guns. There is also another company offering a "Patina" series of products for superficial recoloring. https://steelfxpatinas.com/shop/steel-patinas/gel-patinas/color-case-hardening-patina-kit/#reviewsFor guns of relativly low value and/or collectability, and as long as the color recreation is fairly accurate, these processes provide a reasonable option. Of course, "full disclosure" is essential when selling the gun. So, in order to advance the thread, anyone know anymore low temp recoloring processes besides Osphoblue and a heat gun? Regards Ken
I prefer wood to plastic, leather to nylon, waxed cotton to Gore-Tex, and split bamboo to graphite.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,553
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,553 |
Ed,
My observations are that..
you like to stir the shit pot
you like to ruin a few nice Guns.
you are a few pence short of the full shilling.
you are a pure jerk
That I should not disable the ignore button once engaged
franc
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 10,134 Likes: 125
Sidelock
|
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 10,134 Likes: 125 |
keep it simple and keep it safe...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,071 Likes: 72
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,071 Likes: 72 |
The topic when brought up by Ed is with little to no merit and is designed to troll for negative remarks. Some from those who hid under the cyber bridge.
Though I would not put it in the same way as Franc, I do agree that torching is just wrong and espousing it as having merit is malevolent.
Case color is aesthetic and a by product of case hardening, but what matters is it is also functionally important in that when done correctly it hardens parts of the gun and ensures proper wear and structural integrity. Methods such as Ed's torch approach is destructive, deforming, and done though ignorance.
An argument can be made torching is no different than used car salesmen gimmicks to hide defects, but I see it as both vandalism and fraud.
Doing so without revealing the methods used and down pricing accordingly to wall hanger should be punished as fraud and could be prosecuted as knowingly committing a crime for the fraud and creating defective products.
Ken61 I do not know if the product you linked to has the same negative structural impacts that torching does, but given the general lack of full disclosure and potential ignorance by future sellers, I can't say I think it good choice
Ed you are just stirring the pot on this one and are getting what you have sown
Michael Dittamo
Topeka, KS
Last edited by old colonel; 03/14/17 01:30 PM.
Michael Dittamo
Topeka, KS
|
|
|
|
|
