Dave, also factory recoil pad IIRC? I think the main knock on those guns, for fans of the older Ithaca imports, is that they were heavier. I bought 2 20ga 200E's, new, 28 years ago this month for $850 apiece. (One was for a hunting partner who was also a big SKB fan.) Thought that was a pretty good price, considering what they were going for when Ithaca ceased importing them about 14 years earlier.